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Re: [tor-talk] Non-free country law preventing Tor from getting donations

On 6/16/14, ÐÑÑÑÑ ÐÑÑÐÐÐÐ <art.istom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 03:52:05PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
>> > If Torproject ending it's close ties w/ U.S. military funding (by some
>> > means) isn't important for it's reputation & appearance to the broader
>> > internet community, I'm not sure what is.
>> The code is open for inspection so it's not an overt issue, and the
>> cash funds a lot of good research. Outright bribery or force "here's
>> a million or an NSL/order, don't implement this", has a reasonably
>> good chance of resulting in a sitdown protest closure of the project.
>> So the only issue I see is covert, "here's a million, go research this
>> (which might keep you too busy to discover or implement this other
>> thing we don't like)". Yes, the US is a curious home for tor in these
>> regards. Yet moving it someplace else will have a different set of
>> pressures (though probably lesser), a different set of donors, coders,
>> etc.
> Ordinary people do not know this word "code" (especially open source).
> They believe that the piper calls the tune. And in fact it is very
> difficult to argue with such a statement without falling into the
> technical details ("code is open")

What makes it blindingly obvious to me that Tor is not "0wned" by NSA
or "USA CORP" is Wikileaks.

The helicopter gunship video (Manning), and many other Wikileaks leaks
which have often resulted in Streisand effect (bankers shutting down
local wikileaks and news outlets which referenced/talked about banking
corruption) in a good way, are clear signals.

Julian Assange under house arrest for how long now?

Edward Snowden teaching The Guardian how to run a document drop-box on
Tor, and he's now exiled under threat of a grand jury?

The signals before us are clear, self evident and unambiguous.

It's humorous to me: the government funding the Tor network which it
uses for its spies to communicate safely, while at the same time is
apparently busy trying to crack/ break the network to uncover other
spies (or crims, whatever...).

I think the question is in no way an open one - it's a shut case - Tor
is not 0wned by NSA or USA government etc.

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