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Re: Tor limitation



Has the EFF sent anyone to China to check this out and hopefully get some more details? It would be especially interesting to find out what the situation is for other P2P and anonymity networks w/in china. If they are alive, how? If they got canned, what were their mistakes that lead to it?
~Andrew

Matt Thorne wrote:
most of the censoring, in china at least, is done automatically with
no human intervention. In my statement I ment that having an exit node
behind the firewall would give us the same restrictions that they are
having to deal with right now. for most people that really wouldn't
impact their lives that much, except that there would be some pages
that you counldn't view, and some messages that you couldn't send.
           BUT.
there is always a but,
We, for the most part, are from countires that don't have restrictions
on speach, so we would set off all of the flags that the censoring
software was looking for, and the ISP would be ordered to cut the
connection pretty quickly. Personally I don't think that an exit or
entry server would last more than 5 minutes on china's web.

On 11/14/05, Bob <monfster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  
Well, the faq says "If you want to avoid most if not all abuse potential,
set it to "reject *:*". This is called being a "middleman" node." - but can
that also be an Entry node?

However, I think someone running any type of tor SERVER node behind the
Great Firewall would have a lot more to worry about than just pissing off
their isp...

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of ADB
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:09 PM
To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tor limitation

OK. I was going to say, "Tor should be able to get through it!". The point
is, if you have a bunch of tor nodes, especially geographically disparate
ones, the load should be spread out, no?
Are they default-allow or default-deny over there?

Bob wrote:

       I think there was a tag missing - I think it was:

       <Sarcasm>yes I really want to use an exit node that is located
behind the
       great
       firewall...</Sarcasm>

       -----Original Message-----
       From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
       Behalf Of Arrakistor
       Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:34 PM
       To: Matt Thorne
       Subject: Re[2]: Tor limitation

       Hello Matt,

       Somehow,  I  don't think China will kindly look upon those running
Tor
       servers  inside  their  country.  Infact,  I  am  concerned  about
the
       integrity  of  Tor  servers  which  have  data passing through
Chinese
       servers, as it seems hard to believe their government would allow
them
       to exist without their approval.

       Has anyone else had such concerns, or any answers to such concerns?

       Regards,

       ST


       Monday, November 14, 2005, 3:18:21 PM, you wrote:



               yes I really want to use an exit node that is located behind
the great
               firewall...





               On 11/14/05, ADB <firefox-gen@xxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:firefox-gen@xxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:


                       Here's an easy solution for our buddies under commie
control: SET UP MORE
                       TOR EXIT NODE & DIR SERVERS! It's not tha hard! ;)
                       ~Andrew

                       Darren Griffith wrote:
                       Many of the Chinese who are using tor are
complaining that it is too


               slow to


                       be usable by them. I imagine that those who feel
they need to


               use this


                       program don't mind it being at about dial-up speeds.





                       I'm in Beijing and I'm happy that Tor is there when
I need it. In


               fact,


                       en.wikipedia.org is now blocked by my ISP, so Tor is
almost


               essential. But


                       yes, it's pretty slow, though I'm patient. Only
lately,


               I'm consistently


                       getting DNS lookup failures, and that's what's
mostly


               eroding my experience


                       of using Tor all the time. (I know I should


               change the config of my client


                       to give more logging info so I can


               track down this bad exit node, but I


                       haven't made the effort yet.)





               --
               Darren Paul


                       Griffith


               www.madphilosopher.ca








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