(FWD) Re: tor block insanity

[Roger Dingledine <arma@xxxxxxx>]

Here's the reply from the Gentoo forum folks. Please do pay close
attention to his remark about rudeness. You really are hurting our cause
by calling people stupid.

--Roger

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:50:03 +0000
From: Kurt Lieber <klieber@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: loki tiwaz <loki_tiwaz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: forum-mods@xxxxxxxxxx, or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: tor block insanity

We allow read-only access for tor users.  As you noted, it's only posting
that we have disabled.  Regardless of the relative number of trolls that
originate from tor, the fact of the matter is that, when posting was
allowed from tor, our administrative load (consisting of tracking down
spammers, banning spam accounts, cleaning up spam messages, trollers, etc.)
increased dramatically.

We are a volunteer organization.  We don't get paid for the work we do.
Consequently, we're going to maintain a balance between the "openness" of
the forum and the administrative burden it places on us.  When we see
things that detract from our ability to offer a pleasant user experience to
the *majority* of our forum users, we're going to change it.  Some folks,
such as yourself, may not agree with all of these decisions and we realize
that.

Now, I've just given you a very thoughtful, polite reply to your rude
message.  I encourage you to learn a few things about tact, diplomacy and,
above all, common courtesy.  We're human just as you are and we don't
appreciate being called stupid any more than I'm sure you do.=20

Please do us a favor and overhaul your poor attitude before you write us
again.

--kurt

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0000 or thereabouts, loki tiwaz wrote:
> i just added this to the gentoo wiki:
>=20
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Encrypting_Root_Filesystem_with_DM-Crypt_=
with_LUKS#Automatic_Mounting_of_Encrypted_User_Directories
>=20
> and i wanted to post the info in the gentoo forum where the same type of=
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> info was also posted, but in your infinite wisdom you have chosen to bloc=
k=20
> access to the forum on the basis of my network origin, even though out of=
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> all tor users trolls are only a minority, just as they are anywhere else.
>=20
> why should i have to give away my identity to contribute to your forum???=
=20
> the admins of the gentoo wiki haven't been so stupid as to block tor user=
s.=20
> couldn't you just set up registered user only posting for the forums rath=
er=20
> than block network nodes on an open proxy system? if you are gonna block=
=20
> tor, are you gonna add all other open proxy addresses too? are you gonna=
=20
> choose to make it difficult to access the forum anonymously? tor is the=
=20
> easiest form of anonymising available. it is gonna be used mainly by peop=
le=20
> for whom malicious behavior is not something they wish to do, people who=
=20
> don't want to have to be messing around with more complex and difficult t=
o=20
> run anonymising systems, who just want to be anonymous.
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> blocking tor users on the basis of a small number of trolls is completely=
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> unfair, what makes you think that just cos a few lazy script kiddies want=
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> to make asses of themselves through tor that everyone who uses tor is=20
> automatically a troll?
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> thanks for nothing
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