If they use Relakks they they can make it much harder for the US governement to watch them - and get decent speed too - unlike with TOR! Costs money of course, but not a lot... ________________________________ From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jonathan D. Proulx Sent: Thu 30/11/2006 15:58 To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Stephen Soghoian on U.S. Gov't Attitudes Toward Tor On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:35:21AM -0500, Michael Holstein wrote: :Simple. It's okay for them to be sneaky to avoid *US* (the citizens) :from knowing what they're up to, but *NOT* okay when we try to hide from :them. Probably true of the people paraphrased, but I'm sure ONR folks understand if they're the only ones using it they ain't hiding from anyone. Most other TLA's are likely to miss this subtlety.