Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

[stn <stn@xxxxxx>]

i wish i could recall which talk it was.  i've watched so many without taking notes recently as a quick study aid.  

sorry about that.




On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:48 AM, z9wahqvh wrote:

> thank you, this is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll see if
> I can find it in one of Roger's videos, though if anyone has a specific
> pointer that would be very much appreciated.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM, stn <stn@xxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> i think roger dingledine presented some short timeline evidence awhile
>> back in a video i saw but this is from memory.
>> 
>> a US university and the DoJ usa tallied tor traffic on their relay and
>> only found something like 3% "unwanted" traffic.
>> 
>> that could have included things like copyrighted music sharing.
>> the study wasn't continued for some reason.
>> 
>> maybe someone who can correctly recall the event or study can fill in some
>> blanks and verify but ...
>> 
>> only 3% "unwanted" traffic. that's easy to take IMO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/02/2014 04:35 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly
>>>>> evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its
>>>>> relatively slow uptake overall, and perhaps to the prevalence of evil
>> in
>>>>> the world. An anonymity system with a backdoor for outing evil (however
>>>>> defined) would be unworkable, and would soon die.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> I don't know how to parse "say" in this paragraph. It certainly seems to
>>>> "say" something about the role of unsurveillable absolute anonymous
>>>> communications systems and who is going to be attracted to them and why.
>>> 
>>> If everyone used "unsurveillable absolute anonymous communications
>>> systems", the prevalence of evil on them would be the same as the
>>> overall prevalence of evil. Right? Those who play on the supposed
>>> association of Tor with evil are not friends of freedom.
>>> 
>>>> It also would seem to raise serious questions about whether such efforts
>>>> should be supported
>>> 
>>> If you choose to support Tor, then do. If you don't, then don't. Others
>>> can make their own choices, based on their principles and values.
>>> 
>>>> --and, to raise questions raised in other threads here, whether ISPs and
>>>> other service providers and websites should let Tor relays through.
>>> 
>>> There are more-effective solutions that don't hurt the innocent.
>>> 
>>>> Note that if you are correct, you are painting an extremely dark picture
>>>> of our political future, in which constitutional governance and rule of
>>>> law become, strictly speaking, impossible. You may think that this will
>>>> decrease the amount of evil in the world. My reading of world history
>>>> suggests otherwise.
>>> 
>>> It should be obvious that I'm no statist. But discussions of politics
>>> are off-topic on this list. So I'll not address the rest of your post.
>>> 
>>> <SNIP>
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