Re: [pygame] State of the Debian

[Francis Irving <francis@flourish.org>]

First of all, I've uploaded the 1.0pre packages, as someone emailed
me asking for them, you can find them (called 0.99pre for version
number reasons) at:

ftp://pygame.seul.org/pub/pygame/contrib/pygame_0.99pre*
(browse the directory for the deb filename).

They work with SDL 1.1.8 (the current version in unstable Debian).

Thanks for the full story on SDL_ttf, I didn't realise that was
the problem.  I have made my own Debian of the latest SDL-ttf 
without any problems.

Numeric is in Debian, but only for python 1.5, not for python 2.0.
For some reason everything needs to be done separately for both.

I think an official Debian maintainer would be the best.

I'm not going to volunteer to manage our own little apt tree.
It does sound like a good idea, but I don't use pygame enough myself
to justify the time.

I'll give any help and pass things on to anyone who does want to.
And meanwhile I will keep submitting bugs on Debian to try and get
the versions of everything up to speed, and churn out pygame packages.

When you release 1.0 I'll make more of an effort to find someone to
adopt pygame, or at least sponsor an official upload.  Getting it into
unstable at all would be a good start.

Thanks for your interest in Deb packaging of it, Pete!

Francis

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:12:24AM -0700, Pete Shinners wrote:
> hey guys, there's been a little discussion on what's up with
> installing on debian. i think we've figured out all the 'problems', 
> but really aren't sure about getting any solutions. :[
> 
> here's 3 things that are preventing an "apt-get install pygame"
> from running smoothly.
> 
> 1. No SDL_ttf support. SDL_ttf only supports the older freetype-1.x
> libraries. Debian (and soon the rest of creation) has moved on to
> the freetype2 libraries. getting freetype1 installed to co-exist
> with freetype2 on debian is a huge pain, therefore there's no 
> easy way to get SDL_ttf working either. This means to font module
> in pygame, which will severely limit what people can do.
> 
> 2. No Numeric python support. There is no debian package for the
> Numeric library. This really shouldn't be hard to do, since Numeric
> is nice and mature at this point, it just needs someone to adopt
> it and put it into a DEB. Without Numeric we get no surfarray module,
> which people are also missing. Fortunately, it is easy to compile
> and install Numeric, and to also compile and install pygame from
> source.
> 
> 3. No official debian maintainer. Currently, Francis has done a great
> job managing the different pygame debian issues. The "unstable branch"
> is a pretty shifty place, and new dependencies are frequently released
> that break other packages, which forces them to update. i don't know
> how the whole process is supposed to work, but it seems pretty chaotic.
> Also, there's no way for pygame to get moved into the official debian
> archive without a real maintainer.
> 
> So that's where it sits. Talking to some of the debian maintainers,
> it is still going to be a long time before Python2 and SDL-1.2 are
> moved from unstable into testing. Once that happens, i think life
> will be somewhat easier all around.
> 
> so we're still missing two (3 if you count freetype1) important
> debian packages before we can have an easy to install/full featured
> pygame package.
> 
> i was thinking the best solution is to start our own 3rd party
> debian module repository. In it we could include SDL_ttf (with
> statically linked freetype libraries), Numeric, and a pygame.
> (perhaps include all the dependency modules (SDL_image,etc) that
> are currently in the debian unstable, that way we won't be so tied
> into updated all our packages when one in unstable gets changed)
> 
> all we really need is a properly setup FTP directory, and people
> can add it into their debian archive list. then the
> "apt-get install pygame" can be a simple reality. This will need
> a volunteer to get done, since i'm pretty booked as is. :]
> 
> i was hoping Francis and/or David (pretty please?) could take a
> look into this. i know there's tons of 3rd party debian repositories
> out there, and at this time, perhaps being in charge of our own fate
> isn't such a bad idea?  (i can provide the ftp/http space ;])
> 
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