RE: [pygame] PyGameDB coming along well

["Noah Kantrowitz" <noah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Look in to Brett's work on a secure interpreter system. He gave a talk at
pycon '07 about it IIRC.

--Noah

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pygame-users@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-pygame-users@xxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Richie Ward
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:45 PM
> To: pygame-users@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [pygame] PyGameDB coming along well
> 
> Ok, I tried this in the python code itself and it says "Operation not
> permitted" on ubuntu. I suppose its unlikely to be able to run as
> another user without asking for the root password.
> 
> I cant think of any good way to make it perfectly secure while keeping
> the cross platform capability and not having to significantly modify
> all the pygame's. The source code to games will be available and I
> suppose the community can find and report bad scripts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Er, I forgot to add that part of my idea included running the thing
> in
> > its own user, so your other files were safe. I wonder if Ubuntu would
> > want to automatically set up something like that when you install it?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Ah userland, excellent. I was also thinking about keeping it in
> >> userland when I was thinking about this concept. That way, you
> >> wouldn't even need to trust the repo very much.
> >>
> >> Again, awesome.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Richie Ward <richies@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>> It will be up to the repo to moderate the security of packages.
> >>>
> >>> I plan to have a policy of moderation on my own repository, once
> its ready.
> >>> I will give moderation privileges to trusted and experienced python
> >>> programmers, and ban people that abuse it. Anyone is free to set up
> >>> their own game repository though!
> >>>
> >>> It runs entirely in userland, it does not need administrator
> >>> privileges. It does not use python's site-packages system.
> >>>
> >>> I plan to have a sophisticated searching system including tags, so
> >>> pyweek games can have a pyweek tag and their website could instruct
> >>> their users to search for a tag, adventure games get a adventure
> tag
> >>> etc...
> >>> Other plans include translation into other languages.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps i could think of a way to allow more than one picture,
> >>> dropdown box maybe? or maybe you click it and it shows next one
> like a
> >>> slideshow. I want to keep the GUI simple, accessible and easy to
> use.
> >>>
> >>> Also remember, this isnt just for Linux but I have plans to get it
> >>> packaged into ubuntu :)
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>> This is fantastic, I didn't know this was in the works. I was
> always
> >>>> thinking, for open source games to take off, there needs to be a
> good
> >>>> catalog of games that people can browse, and it has to be flashy,
> but
> >>>> it has to show off the big advantage of open source games, which
> is
> >>>> that unlike other catalogs (like Steam), you can download it and
> play
> >>>> the whole thing, right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> For it to be attractive to users, though, I think It would be
> really
> >>>> nice if the games were categorized, had nice screenshots, etc. It
> >>>> should be like an advertisement, so people will be likely to check
> it
> >>>> out. But that's just my take.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only question I have is, is there any regard for security? Are
> the
> >>>> games being looked over before they're added to the repo? Etc. I'm
> >>>> perhaps naive and overly worried, I'm not familiar with how
> carefully
> >>>> Linux distros (for instance) usually handle this sort of thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Noah Kantrowitz
> <noah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> Not to point out the obvious or anything, but why would you not
> just use
> >>>>> pygame.org, which already has a big database of games. Just add
> an API for
> >>>>> getting the metadata you need and be done with it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Noah
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: owner-pygame-users@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-pygame-
> users@xxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> On Behalf Of Richie Ward
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:25 AM
> >>>>>> To: pygame-users@xxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [pygame] PyGameDB coming along well
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The PyGameDB project which has similarity's to the commercial
> platform
> >>>>>> "Steam" is coming to a usable state.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is programmed in Python + WxPython.
> >>>>>> It works by adding the game to sys.path and importing the game
> (very
> >>>>>> simplified way to put it).
> >>>>>> It uses a XML file to get a list of PyGame's. It will also work
> with
> >>>>>> other types of python games, including opengl based ones, as
> long as
> >>>>>> they are open source.
> >>>>>> A huge feature is that it will make it easy to deploy pygame's
> since
> >>>>>> you do not need to package them as a .exe.
> >>>>>> It allows anyone to make a game repository, the XML file url can
> be
> >>>>>> set inside the application!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am currently looking for help with:
> >>>>>> * The pygamedb-server which is a website programmed in cherrypy
> or
> >>>>>> pylons which will allow people to submit/upload games and
> generates
> >>>>>> the resulting xml file.
> >>>>>> * Beta testers for the client and someone that can test it on
> Mac OSX
> >>>>>> * Someone to make me a pygamedb logo, I am useless with
> graphics!
> >>>>>> * Someone with knowlege of WxPython thats willing to help with
> the
> >>>>>> client gui.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The project is currently missing a big feature,
> dependency/library
> >>>>>> support (It ignores that in the xml file right now). That will
> be
> >>>>>> finished very soon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can see a screenshot here:
> >>>>>> http://richies.googlepages.com/Screenshot-1.png
> >>>>>> The test repo is hosted here: http://pygamedb.4rensics.org/
> >>>>>> The test XML Data file  is here:
> >>>>>> http://pygamedb.4rensics.org/pygamedb.xml
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I plan to get a domain name once pygamedb-server is done..
> pygamedb.org
> >>>>>> maybe?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Getting it
> >>>>>> =======
> >>>>>> The project lives at: https://launchpad.net/pygamedb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>> http://launchpad.net/bzr/1.6/1.6beta3/+download/bzr-setup-
> 1.6b3.exe
> >>>>>> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-win32-
> unicode-
> >>>>>> 2.8.8.1-py25.exe
> >>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=78018
> >>>>>> Install all of the above.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Debian/Ubuntu
> >>>>>> python-wxgtk2.8, bzr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Once you installed that, Run this command:
> >>>>>> bzr branch lp:pygamedb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Running it
> >>>>>> =======
> >>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>> rename pygamedb to pygamedb.py and then run it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On all other os's just run pygamedb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Thanks, Richie Ward
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thanks, Richie Ward
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks, Richie Ward