Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?

[Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>]

2009/12/18 Thadeus Burgess <thadeusb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to
> python :)
>
> What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net?

Thanks for the links!

>
> Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ?
>
> deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically.

Yeah sure - but I would not regard them as easy to use. Learning
debian packaging is like, well, learning another programming language.

If it was trivial to package Python+Pygame source games, this idea
would not have survived from my neural net to this mailing list :)

>
> Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the
> package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And
> some utilities to help developers package their games.
>
> -Thadeus
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/12/18 jug <jug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> > Hi Olof,
>> >
>> > Olof Bjarnason wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have this crazy idea of making a "pygame community platform" to make
>> >> distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Interesting idea.
>> >
>> >> For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called
>> >> something like "PygamePlatform". It would provide a graphical user
>> >> interface,
>> >> for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using.
>> >> It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source?
>> > Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects?
>>
>> Ignore them? :)
>>
>> No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the
>> program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI,
>> and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for "pool
>> games" to depend upon.
>>
>> Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than
>> Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so
>> flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library.
>>
>> >
>> >> Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a
>> >> PygamePlatform local "games pool". Thus uninstalling is as easy as
>> >> installing.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin
>> > files
>> > including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know
>> > python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or
>> > just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame
>> > games?
>>
>> Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little
>> descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page
>> etc.
>> A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in
>> local game pool, that is has been downloaded).
>>
>> That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your
>> friends test out the games.
>>
>> As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki
>> (or similar) to add your game to the database.
>> The "game page" would include information of where to download the
>> source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots.
>>
>> So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when
>> that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along.
>>
>> For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as
>> Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?).
>>
>> But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually
>> are :)
>>
>> >
>> >> GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu.
>> >>
>> >
>> > A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think.
>> >
>> >> The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so
>> >> pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates
>> >> to the PygamePlatform-installations out there.
>> >>
>> >> Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does
>> >> PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any
>> >> changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do
>> > You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a
>> > project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some
>> > additional
>> > game informations.
>> >
>> >> Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing
>> >> this kind of thing?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing:
>> >
>> > http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/
>> >
>> > Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and
>> > REST,
>> > see the "more"-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data
>> > about the projects. Currently you could use it for a "check for
>> > updates/newer
>> > version" inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls
>> > for
>> > bin and source files (if available).
>> >
>> > So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description
>> > and
>> > pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >  Julian
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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