Re: [pygame] Pygame community platform?

[Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>]

2009/12/18 Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>:
> 2009/12/18 Thadeus Burgess <thadeusb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> I don't think I could live without the plethora of libraries available to
>> python :)
>>
>> What about playdeb.net / getdeb.net?
>
> Thanks for the links!
>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be easier if we packaged games for the OS package manager ?
>>
>> deb and apt-get can handle any needed dependences automatically.
>
> Yeah sure - but I would not regard them as easy to use. Learning
> debian packaging is like, well, learning another programming language.
>

.. plus that debian packages is limited to debian based systems. A
PygamePlatform program that downloads .py-files+media files is generic
and cross-platform in a quite true sense.

> If it was trivial to package Python+Pygame source games, this idea
> would not have survived from my neural net to this mailing list :)
>
>>
>> Then perhaps all that would be needed would be a GUI wrapper around the
>> package manager command line, that only includes pygame game packages. And
>> some utilities to help developers package their games.
>>
>> -Thadeus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2009/12/18 jug <jug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> > Hi Olof,
>>> >
>>> > Olof Bjarnason wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I have this crazy idea of making a "pygame community platform" to make
>>> >> distributing/finding/testing/installing pygames simpler.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Interesting idea.
>>> >
>>> >> For end users, it would be a program to install, maybe called
>>> >> something like "PygamePlatform". It would provide a graphical user
>>> >> interface,
>>> >> for the ubuntu platform to begin with, since that is what I'm using.
>>> >> It would feature search/install/uninstall/run interaction.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > What do you do with dependencies? Include them to your game source?
>>> > Or add some often used 3rd party packages as extra projects?
>>>
>>> Ignore them? :)
>>>
>>> No I just thought Python+Pygame could be assumed. For example, the
>>> program itself could be written in Python+Pygame to make a flashy GUI,
>>> and of course then Python+Pygame would exst on the system for "pool
>>> games" to depend upon.
>>>
>>> Do many Pygame games depend on other third party libraries than
>>> Pygame? I have only used Python+Pygame+builtins so far. Python is so
>>> flexible I have not felt the need for any additional library.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> Installing would mean downloading .py+bin files and placing them in a
>>> >> PygamePlatform local "games pool". Thus uninstalling is as easy as
>>> >> installing.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Rene is working on something like this, but I think its more for bin
>>> > files
>>> > including python and all dependencies. So for people who do not know
>>> > python etc. but want to play your games. Is that what you want to do or
>>> > just making it easier for people with python to find and install pygame
>>> > games?
>>>
>>> Think of it as the find-install program of ubuntu; a little
>>> descriptive text and one or more screenshots, a link to a home page
>>> etc.
>>> A button to download game, a button to run (if the game exists in
>>> local game pool, that is has been downloaded).
>>>
>>> That would make it really simple to publish games, and let your
>>> friends test out the games.
>>>
>>> As a developer, you would simply manipulate the PygamePlatform wiki
>>> (or similar) to add your game to the database.
>>> The "game page" would include information of where to download the
>>> source+binaries of the game, plus the descriptive text + screenshots.
>>>
>>> So primarily: simplify publishing Python+Pygame-based games. And when
>>> that is simple, testing+feedback+quality comes along.
>>>
>>> For the end-users, they may think of the PygamePlatform program as
>>> Valve's Steam utility for Windows (and more platforms maybe?).
>>>
>>> But for free, casual-style primarily 2d-games. Like pygame games usually
>>> are :)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> GUI: Much like Ubuntus add programs, combined with the start menu.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > A GUI wouldn't be a problem I think.
>>> >
>>> >> The database of pygames would reside on some wiki-like web page, so
>>> >> pygame-developers could easily add their creations without any updates
>>> >> to the PygamePlatform-installations out there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course this is a great deal of work, but provided it does
>>> >> PygamePlatform could be ported to Windows, Mac etc. without any
>>> >> changes to the wiki-database or the games themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Depends on what existing tools and libs you use/ what you want to do
>>> > You could also just write a wrapper for easy_install with a
>>> > project filter/ own db with project names, a nice GUI and some
>>> > additional
>>> > game informations.
>>> >
>>> >> Feedback? Is there earlier projects that has tried (and failed) doing
>>> >> this kind of thing?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Well, there is a pygame community platform/website with project listing:
>>> >
>>> > http://pygameweb.no-ip.org/
>>> >
>>> > Its still a beta/rc version, but it has an api (actually two: XMLRPC and
>>> > REST,
>>> > see the "more"-tab) that allows you to get some (maybe more soon) data
>>> > about the projects. Currently you could use it for a "check for
>>> > updates/newer
>>> > version" inside your games/programs. It also gives you the download urls
>>> > for
>>> > bin and source files (if available).
>>> >
>>> > So if people would add their games to pypi and insert a game description
>>> > and
>>> > pypi-url/-name on the website, only the GUI would be left to do.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> >  Julian
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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