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Re: [pygame] PyGame website



Hi again,

as I mentioned a couple of times already, I've been working on a new website.

As well as maintaining the website for over 7 years, I've also been hosting the website and paying for the server for a few years, since the seul.org host was having various troubles(other processes on the same box, like Tor servers which meant frequent hacking and blocking by various countries).  The mailing list is still hosted with seul.org however.

Please be patient until things are in a state to collaborate more.  Some things are already migrated or part migrated to the bitbucket and DVCS like the wiki, downloads, mercurial version control, issue tracking etc.  There are multiple admins on the bitbucket account.  Comments are with the disquss system, and can be moderated by users.

The new docs are another part of the website that have been migrated.  The '/docs/' url is still pointed to the old docs at the moment, however the alternative url which I put up for testing and to gather feedback is still available, and is updated from version control automatically.

There has also been work on integrating the buildbots to use travis-ci and some other build hosts, to go along with the current build page at: http://thorbrian.com/pygame/builds.php

I would like to move the website forward as I have planned.  As well I am happy to keep paying for hosting.  I would also like to collaborate more on it.  It has been a fairly massive undertaking with many different parts, and that has taken way more time that I'd hoped.

However, some parts can already be updated by people, and we are getting closer to being able to have more people collaborate on it.  Going forward, I will have more time to work on the website, and not just spend my time fighting spam, and I will put tasks in the issue tracker for more visibility, and to allow more people to collaborate. 

It would be nice to have confirmation from Pete that he won't just move the dns away to point somewhere else.


all the best,



On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Peter Shinners <pete@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been keeping the domain name registered.

The web server and hosting has been managed by seul.org, which was an lucky and amazing choice for the project back in early 2003. Seul has been awesome, but the downside is that everything is "custom". The admins have been amazing at adding extra ssh accounts for us, but that still feel like it may not scale or be as flexible as other hosting options these days?

After I stopped managing the website, Phil Hassey and Rene Dudfield took over. If a new website is getting put together, it feels like a good time to point the domain to that.

Currently the domain is set to expire in April 2013. I won't let it expire, but if someone has more ambitious way to manage it, now may be a good time to change that also?




On 12/01/2012 05:10 AM, Radomir Dopieralski wrote:
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Kluyver <takowl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Does anyone know who runs the website?
Here's what I know.

According to whois, the domain is registered to "Contact Privacy Inc.
Customer 0118713523", and the server is hosted by "Hetzner Online AG",
which is a big hosting provider. The website itself contains no
contact information or address, which may or may not be against the
law, depending on the country. The only person who I know has access
to the website is not responding to e-mail or other contact attempts
from multiple people since 3 months, although I can see he is active
online. The people on the mailing list and IRC channel either have no
idea or simply don't care. Yes, this is frustrating. No, I don't know
what else could be done, apart from just making a separate website,
which may actually be for the best, even though I'm a great fan of
gradual improvement.

If anybody has any better information or ideas, I'd love to hear them.
Sorry if this all sounds negative, I'm sure this situation didn't
arise because of malice or bad will. But it still hurts to see people
wanting to help and being unable to do it.