guess I could have included in console results in the last email. anyway, i got: PERFORMANCE RESULTS stdout 0.04 seconds file 0.01 seconds as compared to 0.06 for stdout in rxvt. in an xterm it gives me: PERFORMANCE RESULTS stdout 0.20 seconds file 0.01 seconds ____________________________________ pygame mailing list pygame-users@seul.org http://pygame.seul.org