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Re: [school-discuss] Ah . . . sorry . . . I did not mean that Drupal is the killer app

Hi Marilyn

2008/12/22 Marilyn Hagle <marilyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hmm . . . sorry . . . I did not communicate very well earlier and maybe I
> misunderstood as well.
> By "killer app" do we mean the one thing that will finally get the educational
> community to use Linux?
> Actually, Moodle is probably the killer app in this context, but really I am
> talking about a need that only Open Source Software and Open Content can fill -
> bringing affordable classes to kids.


> The Open Content efforts out there are cool, but I have not seen anything yet
> that brings it down to grass roots usability like a Moodle Restore can do.
> Also, podcasts, simple instructional videos, teleconferencing, and audio texts
> can translate an online course into a format that more kids can use.


Two Questions:

1) Who is our target audience?  Teachers or Kids? I assume Teachers.

2) What is a short list of applications that should have teaching
materials developed, in whatever form, for them.

What are the top 5? Top 3?

For me, the top 2 would be:
1) Open Offfice
2) Gimp

3) Not an application, but: More specific content understandings in a
few areas, specific to certain age groups. I've been teaching
computers to kids since 1985 (not that this means I'm any damn good,
but at least I've had lots of practice! )

Les Richardson
Open Admin for Schools

> Online courses have historically not been an option for a dyslexic kid.  Also,
> they have required too much reading and writing = boring for anyone.
> Just some more thoughts,
> Marilyn
> Quoting Bill Fitzgerald <bill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Hello, all,
>> Some thoughts below --
>> Les R wrote:
>> > Hi Marilyn,
>> >
>> > Once you 'create a course' in Drupal,
>> This assumes we can define what actually constitutes a course, and that
>> the definition of a course will hold true across numerous contexts. For
>> the sake of this conversation, let's assume that we all agree that a
>> course is a collection of resources placed in a specific order to guide
>> learning towards a clearly articulated goal.
>> > how do you package it up so that
>> > others may use it, perhaps in other systems besides Drupal?
>> That's the easy part, in Drupal, anyways. For those unfamiliar with
>> Drupal, one of the more popular modules is the Views module. The Views
>> module allows you to create flexible queries across data sets (and in
>> this case, a data set would include a course) and output that format in
>> a variety of ways. For example, you can create a view that creates an
>> ordered list, a csv file, a doc file, an rss feed, etc. You can also
>> develop additional view formats that display your data in different
>> formats, such as embeddable widgets. There has also been some work to
>> wrap rdf metadata around views output, which gives a great deal of
>> flexibility.
>> You can also export data by (ab)using the theming layer. Drupal's
>> theming layer is incredibly flexible, and in the right hands can be made
>> to do amazing things. In the wrong hands, it can be made an instrument
>> of godawful hackery.
>> For an example of how Drupal can be used to build a LOM repository, see
>> http://www.jem-thematic.net/node/715
>> >   What
>> > elements are portable, which not.
>> Within Drupal, access to objects can be controlled in a variety of ways;
>> by role, by user, by using groups, by using workflow states, to name a
>> few. The best method would be determined by the specific use case.
>> > So, I don't necessarily think this
>> > is 'site based', or at least exclusively to a large degree. There
>> > could be a variety of components in a variety of standard package
>> > formats, depending on media type, etc.
>> >
>> I agree -- but I also don't think that you need to buy into the SCORM
>> rabbit hole. The common "standards" used to make "learning objects"
>> portable are poorly implemented at best, and are generally used by
>> larger vendors as an additional means of ensuring that content created
>> within their system stays within their system. This gets back to
>> defining what your "course" will be, and knowing the platforms and
>> standards you will support for delivering the courses.
>> As one example, the SWORD project uses the Atom protocol to attach
>> metadata to objects. Atom is far more lightweight than SCORM. See
>> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/repositories/digirep/index/SWORD
>> So, the mechanisms for transporting data are pretty well developed.
>> As to the "killer app", I think we're more likely to find a unicorn than
>> a single application that revolutionizes teaching (although, amazingly,
>> just about every vendor on the floor at NECC might tell you otherwise).
>> But, applications like Les's OpenAdmin get us closer; individuals like
>> Matt, who make the time to work on a tool that others can use free of
>> charge -- these things all bring us closer, as they show what can happen
>> when people are freed to interact with the code however they want.
>> And to echo what other folks have said: documentation, documentation,
>> documentation. The importance of good, clear docs can't be overstated.
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>> > My 2 centimes worth.
>> >
>> > Les Richardson
>> > Open Admin for Schools
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2008/12/21 Marilyn Hagle <marilyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >
>> >> Hi there everyone!
>> >>
>> >> I was prompted to share this most recent project of mine after reading
>> this
>> >> thread.  I would like to partner with a local school district and apply
>> for a
>> >> grant to put this in motion.
>> >>
>> >> http://highschoolcourseexchange.org
>> >>
>> >> What do you guys think?    I hope to personally teach vocal
>> >> music/theory/composition and to assist an art teacher with digital
>> graphics/3D
>> >> animation and assist a theater teacher with digital audio/video (Gimp,
>> Blender,
>> >> Audacity, Cinelerra).
>> >>
>> >> I am motivated by my own children who are dyslexic and attend a school
>> district
>> >> that does not offer much for high school students.  My kids are 7 & 9, so
>> I
>> >> have a few years to get this going.
>> >>
>> >> Opinions please!!!
>> >>
>> >> Marilyn
>> >>
>> >>
>> --
>> Bill Fitzgerald
>> http://funnymonkey.com
>> FunnyMonkey -- Click. Connect. Learn.
>> ph. 503 897 7160
> :)