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Re: [school-discuss] FW: Microsoft Upgrade Advantage, Select Agreements(fwd)

Sorry to reply to my own email, but I was continuing reading down the 
page and realized that there is no mention of Select and Open going 
away.  That was the impression that I had, but it doesn't appear to be true.

The cut off date is for older Select and Open licenses -- after July 31, 
you can only order Software Assurance with new Select or Open licenses. 
  What they seem to be doing is offering Upgrade Advantage so that you 
can get your old licenses current, and then offering Software Assurance 
to keep your licenses current.

So (if I'm now reading this right) if you have older licenses in Select 
or Open, the only way to upgrade from here on out will be to buy a new 
full license (either School Agreement or Select).  Which means that your 
reseller is probably right -- getting up to speed now is probably a lot 
cheaper (if not particularly well-timed).

Head ... hurts ....


Matt Drew wrote:
> Both of these descriptions are fairly accurate.  The Select and Open 
> Licensing are different (older, individual licenses) from the School 
> Agreement (the per-all-machines licensing).  The important thing to 
> realize is that Select (and Open) Licensing are going away, and the 
> School Agreement will be all that is left for schools to buy.
> *If* you get into Software Assurance/Upgrade Advantage now it will 
> continue for a while, but eventually will run out and you will have to 
> get a School Agreement (or whatever is there in 3 years).  From their 
> website:
> *****
> http://www.microsoft.com/education/default.asp?ID=SoftwareAssurance
>  "The Licensing 6.0 Launch Transition Period ends July 31, 2002. After 
> that, the only way to upgrade your Microsoft licenses that are not 
> covered by Software Assurance will be to purchase a new full license.
> You can cover your existing licenses by July 31 by enrolling the 
> licenses you own for current products in Software Assurance and 
> purchasing Upgrade Advantage for the licenses you own for older program 
> versions (non-current licenses). With Upgrade Advantage, you get the 
> rights to the most current version now, and those licenses will be 
> automatically rolled into Software Assurance."
> *****
> When they say "purchase a new full license" they mean "purchase a School 
> Agreement" because Select and Open licensing are being shut down.  Your 
> reseller is probably trying to get you into Software Assurance/Upgrade 
> Advantage so that you will stay legal for a while, even if you don't buy 
> a School Agreement (which is the only choice they really have). 
> Essentially, you can avoid the School Agreement for a while, but not 
> forever, which is the plan.
> Matt
> Doug Loss wrote:
>> I'm forwarding this from Les Richardson for discussion.  I know little 
>> about
>> Microsoft licensing requirements, having removed all MS software from my
>> systems years ago.
>> ----------
>> From: Les Richardson <richl@mail.tfsd.sk.ca>
>> To: dloss@seul.org
>> Subject: RE: Microsoft Upgrade Advantage,  Select Agreements (fwd)
>> Date: Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 5:35 PM
>> Hi Doug,
>> Are the statements below about the MS Licensing correct?
>> (by Daryl Koroluk)
>> Please forward to appropriate list if you're not sure. (I'm not sure is
>> best one....)(grin)
>> Thanks,
>> Les Richardson
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> (from Daryl Koroluk)
>> Here is my understanding of the Select Licensing as outlined by our
>> re-seller (Softchoice).
>> I am not sure which particular agreement (it sounds like MS School
>> Agreement) is being referenced by Les, but general Select pricing 
>> refers to
>> MS product that you buy, own and deploy. Not how many "other" PCs you 
>> have.
>> So if you used Star Office on 100 old PCs and then bought 100 new PCs and
>> wanted to run Office XP on the new ones only, then you would "buy under
>> Select" 100 copies of it.  No more no less. Then you can run that 
>> product on
>> those new machines ...
>> Later if you decide that the new machines are getting old and that you 
>> want
>> to buy more new machines and run the latest MS Office product, you 
>> leverage
>> the "Upgrade advantage" to buy the Upgrade for the 100 Licenses to the
>> latest version of Office. Then you put the latest version on the
>> "New" machines and if you want to go and use Star Office on the "Old" 
>> ones
>> then fine... You just can't run 200 copies versus the original 100 
>> license
>> bought and subsequently upgraded.
>> The Select pricing is not the same as the "School Agreements" which 
>> are in
>> effect like a lease to deploy a spectrum of MS product over time.
>> Daryl Koroluk
>> Manager, Information Systems
>> Saskatoon Public School Division
>> 310 - 21st St. East
>> Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
>> S7K 1M7
>> email: korolukd@spsd.sk.ca
>> Phone: 306-683-8338
>> Fax: 306-683-8207
>> ***********************************************
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Upgrade Advantage, Select Agreements
>> One subtle point about the agreements.
>> The agreement is based on numbers of PC based computers in your
>> school/division.
>> Thus, if you are using labs of computers running alternative OS's like 
>> Linux
>> or using them with a terminal server setup like LTSP, you still have 
>> to pay
>> the "Microsoft tax", as of old.  This is, of course, an attempt to freeze
>> out this growing  OS.
>> So make sure you realize the computer count includes ALL PC computers 
>> even
>> if you aren't running windows on them...
>> As well the agreement period has increased to 3 years, probably due to
>> issues over schools using Star Office 6 or Open Office (SO6 is free to
>> education). Again, look before leaping.
>> Les Richardson
>> H. Hardcastle School

Matt Drew
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