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Re: [school-discuss] Becta feedback
hello,
this is exactly why government sponsored initiatives for education
material "warehouses" on the internet are miserable failures.
they represent the interests of the warehouse employees,
and no one else. and i don't mean the developers, i mean the
storefront clerks that run day-to-day operations.
there are many other examples here in the u.s.
mike eschman, etc...
"Not just an afterthought ...
http://www.engima.com
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:31 am, you wrote:
> As one of the designers of the BESD system, I'm a little surprised
> by BECTa's response. BESD is publisher-maintained; you should be
> able to register as a software publisher and enter details of your
> software package directly into BESD, for review by BECTa. As a part
> of the data entry process, you will be expected to link your package
> to curriculum topics and Key Stages that it addresses. If you can't
> do that I'd expect BECTa to resist publishing your data, of course.
> My surprise is that BECTa didn't explain this to you.
>
> It is of course possible that gcompris is a type of educational
> software that doesn't fit BESD's model of the universe -- although
> software of general applicability *can* be represented in the
> database.
>
> So, perhaps you asked the wrong question? Try asking to register as
> a publisher?
>
> Bob G
>
> On Wed, 29 May 2002, Chris Puttick wrote:
> > Teachers in the UK are being expected to do less and less work by
> > government. As your package does not fit neatly into the UK
>
> national
>
> > curriculum (i.e. you haven't pre-defined for them what the package
>
> does in
>
> > NC terms), they're not (with some notable exceptions) going to be
> > interested. Given the position of BECTa,they really should take
>
> the time to
>
> > evaluate these packages, but don't.
> >
> > Has anyone had something excepted? My contributions were also
>
> turned down I
>
> > will be raising the issue with BECTa, but an ex-BECTa employee now
>
> employed
>
> > by RedHat may be of more assistance in this area, as I do not know
>
> who to
>
> > target. Malcolm?
> >
> > I forwarded your exchange to a UK based list that may have people
>
> better
>
> > placed to define gcompris in NC terms.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruno Coudoin
> > To: Schoolforge
> > Sent: 5/29/02 1:31 PM
> > Subject: [school-discuss] Becta feedback
> >
> > I asked BECTA to include gcompris in their database.
> > They refused and I don't understand why.
> > Could somebody explain me why, below is the trace of our email
>
> exchange.
>
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bruno.
> >
> > -----------------
> > Dear Bruno,
> >
> > Many thanks for your recent message regarding an entry on the
>
> Becta
>
> > Educational Software Database.
> >
> > In order to meet the criteria of the Becta Educational Software
> > Database, we
> > do ask that any materials referenced through the service are not
>
> just
>
> > relevant to subjects studied in the UK, but that they are also
> > appropriate
> > for the English National Curriculum. Therefore unfortunately we
>
> are
>
> > unable
> > to include this product on BESD.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Becta Educational Sofware Database Team
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bruno Coudoin [SMTP:bruno.coudoin@free.fr]
> > > Sent: 28 May 2002 14:07
> > > To: besd
> > > Subject: RE: gcompris proposal
> > >
> > > I am french and not a teacher neither part of the french
> >
> > education
> >
> > > system so I can't give you any cross reference between
>
> gcompris
>
> > and
> >
> > > the
> > > British Curiculum.
> > > What I can tell you is that in france, gcompris is used in
> >
> > school
> >
> > > for
> > > what is called Cycle 2 which is about 5, 6 and 7 years
>
> old.
>
> > > Gcompris includes a large number of activities and you can
>
> also
>
> > > check by
> > > yourself how suitable it may be for your organisation.
> > >
> > > For My official contact information, I am M. Bruno
>
> Coudoin, my
>
> > > personal
> > > adress is 6:
> > > Rue des Amandiers 31700 Blagnac France.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time evaluating gcompris.
> > >
> > > Also, please consider that as a free software, gcompris
>
> can be
>
> > > improved
> > > by your organisation itself or by asking a third party
>
> software
>
> > > engineering company with no license cost. You can also ask
>
> me
>
> > for
> >
> > > changes and improvement but since it is a non paid
>
> project, it
>
> > can take times.
> >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Bruno.
> > >
> > > Le mar 28/05/2002 à 11:53, besd a écrit :
> > > > Many thanks for your recent enquiry regarding the Becta
> > >
> > > Educational Software
> > >
> > > > Database (BESD - http://besd.becta.org.uk).
> > > >
> > > > BESD aims to provide an independent, comprehensive
>
> on-line
>
> > > database for
> > >
> > > > educational software for the schools market. The
>
> database
>
> > > complements the
> > >
> > > > roles of the National Grid for Learning (NGfL -
> > >
> > > http://www.ngfl.gov.uk) and
> > >
> > > > the Virtual Teacher Centre (VTC -
>
> http://vtc.ngfl.gov.uk),
>
> > which
> >
> > > provide a
> > >
> > > > signposting service to web based content and resources.
>
> BESD
>
> > > currently
> > >
> > > > provides a mechanism for teachers and support
>
> organisations to
>
> > > find
> > >
> > > > curriculum-based software which can be purchased on
>
> disk, CD
>
> > ROM
> >
> > > or DVD ROM,
> > >
> > > > or downloaded from the web. Subscription on-line
>
> services
>
> > where
> >
> > > internet
> > >
> > > > access is required for use are not included. Can you
>
> please
>
> > > inform us what
> > >
> > > > National Curriculum subjects your software covers, and
>
> supply
>
> > us
> >
> > > with full
> > >
> > > > contact details.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Becta Educational Software Database team
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bruno Coudoin [SMTP:bruno.coudoin@free.fr]
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: 27 May 2002 18:21
> > > > > To: besd@becta.org.uk
> > > > > Subject: gcompris proposal
> > > > >
> > > > > I am the author of gcompris
> > >
> > > (http://ofset.sourceforge.net/gcompris)
> > >
> > > > > This is a freeware education application (Under the
>
> GPL
>
> > > License).
> > >
> > > > > Please, consider including it in your database.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruno.