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Re: SEUL: Text vs. X

> řann 14-Feb-98 skrifar Donovan Rebbechi:
> > 
> > Very true. But there comes a point where they need to know something (for
> > example, how to turn their machine on.) The point is that if they get
> > caught in the 'loop of Death', they should know how to hit C-M-F1 to get
> > out of the loop and into the shell. 
> > 
>   Pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't work to get out of the 'loop of death'.  When
> the X server restarts, it grabs the console... it's the way to solve the
> problem where the resolution is unreadable.  The only way to catch the loop
> of death, is to patch XDM... it could be made to start your menu shell when
> it discovers that X is stopping with an error (by peeking into the X servers
> log file, for instance... or discovering it's being respawned to often within
> some given period of time).  Here, your menu shell would come in very handy,
> to help the user solve the problem.  And, when the user exits from it, then
> XDM could continue the same process, or die.  Depending on wether the user
> found out the problem and solved it, or disconfigured XDM.

Pressing CTRL-ALT-F1 will not get you out of the loop of death but it
will avoid you frying your monitor.  Until we can assume than X will
work out of the box (not in a long time) putting people in XDM without
having given the user the opportunity to verify than it works is not
the way to go.  I really don't see what is wrong in having the user
start X manually once in his life.

Windows detects problems when the user does a CTRL-ALT-DEL just after
boot, in that case it enters failsafe mode.

Unless than you can provide an analogous mechanism (difficult because
X grabs keyboard) stiop dreaming about an all XDM distribution.  For
now X has no mechanism to know if the monitor is displaying correctly.

Also try to think what happens if user changes video card and you drop
into XDM..

			Jean Francois Martinez

"For drinking muddy water if that is the water of truth,
            for that the camel is needed"