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[seul-edu] Fw: Re: ~education project introductions Re: [cwlc]
On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> From: Chuck Moss <email@example.com>
> To: Eric Harrison <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Cc: Richard Stallman <email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org,
> email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org,
> Subject: Re: ~education project introductions Re: [cwlc]
> Hi, This is Chuck Moss, I work with John Knight, Julia
> Christianson, Karl
> and others at the CWLC(city wide learning center) in DC.
> Please pardon the extensive quoting and random snips in the
> following mail.
> Hopefully my questions will make sense even after I butcher
> your original mail. ;-)
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 10:24:24PM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > There are two separate, independent "k12linux" groups, one
> on the
> > east coast and one on the west. I'm on the west coast, based
> out of
> > Portland, Oregon. The following refers to what we are doing
> > the left coast (http://riverdale.k12.or.us/linux,
> > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us).
> Do you work with the group on the East Coast at all? Do you
> have any URLs
> for that group? It would be handy just to keep everyone
> Where is the east coast group located?
> [ snip ]
> > We host a mailing lists which offers peer support for
> > interested in free software. We also have a hands-on clinic
> > a month in Portland where teachers, students, and the
> general public can come to learn.
> I haven't been able to get to your archives tonight. How much
> traffic is on the list?
> When do you have your hands-on clinic? I have been planning
> on making a
> trip out to Portland/Seattle to visit friends and relatives.
> I would love
> the chance to see your group at work and look over the systems
> while I am out there.
> > In the last year, we have started shifting focus to the
> > The #1 complaint I hear from the schools is that it is
> > and expensive to run computer labs. The solution we are
> > on is producing a very easy to install distribution built
> > the Linux Terminal Server Project. Things are looking pretty
> > the LTSP is looking pretty solid. GNOME, our preferred user
> > interface, is improving quickly. Educational software is
> > good as well, largely due to the efforts of SEUL. Hopefully
> > OpenOffice, Mozilla, Nautilus, and other major end-user
> specific software will be perfected shortly.
> At CWLC we have just gotten to the point where we have a
> network. We also based our lab on Redhat 7.1 GNU/LINUX.
> There is a single
> server that gets kickstarted from custom floppy and stock CDs.
> All the
> clients and the firewall get kickstarted over the network.
> The single
> server hosts NFS home directories, NIS, DNS, squid, squidguard
> and acts as
> the cups printserver. In contrast to LTSP we do not run
> from the server. Applications are also installed locally.
> I have been pleasantly surprised how many clients your LTSP
> configs can
> support. If we were starting over I might consider dropping
> more money
> and time into the server. All the machines we have were
> donations. The
> minimal arbitrary requirements for a desktop machine are as
> VGA or SVGA
> 32MB ram
> 1-2 GB hd
> There are higher requirements for running staroffice,
> CDburners etc.
> We are now looking at useful applications to add to the
> The age ranges for the kids we have in the lab are wide. The
> people who
> Manage the building also want to provide assistance to the
> adult local adult/parent community.
> The kids enjoy the simple games on the machine but we do need
> to focus on educational content.
> > The second most common issue we see is managing accounts. We
> > working on providing centralized authentication and
> > utilizing OpenLDAP. The last piece is providing reasonable
> > for Windows 2000/XP. We have someone on staff helping to
> > the LDAP support in Samba. We are running our agency off a
> > version right now with good results. Hopefully this work
> will be make it into Samba shortly.
> I am interested in how this goes. It is discussed on the
> k12linux mailing list or elsewhere?
> > The Children's Internet Protection Act is a pain that
> schools and
> > libraries have to deal with. We have found that the free
> > SquidGuard (http://www.squidguard.org) is quite competitive
> with the
> > proprietary offerings. We have devoted staff resources to
> > SquidGuard a *superior* solution to the expensive
> > offerings.
> I have found squidguard to be very useful as well.
> > As for encouraging the use of free software, we do quite a
> bit of
> > lobbying and public speaking. Paul Nelson
> > gave a presentation last year to Congress on why the
> government should
> > be using free software. We hit all the conferences we can
> (I'll be at
> > LinuxWorld, look for me in the LTSP booth ;-). We try to
> > everything we do so that it is easily repeatable by others.
> [ snip ]
> We have focused on creating a repeatable system as well. I
> think I need to
> make more of an effort to keep on top of what else is going on
> so as not to
> duplicate efforts as much as build on what others have done.
> I would love to see a coordinated effort to get free software
> in our
> schools. I know if we managed it right there are many people
> in local lugs
> around the globe who would be willing to assist school
> personel with installation/support.
> I have joined your mailing list and look forward to contact.
> Keep up the good work,
> Chuck Moss
> p.s. since RMS is on this mail I would like to take the
> opportunity to say
> thanks for all the code/licenses I have been using over the
> years. ;-)
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