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Re: SEUL: Zoose

1st law of engineering: If it happens, it must be possible.

Since what Matthew Nolan desires has already been done,
it must be possible.
(OK, so it's based on QNX rather than Linux -- surely Linux isn't terribly
bloated compared to QNX).

I've typed in most of the relevant text from the advertisement I have in
front of me. I must say I was impressed at all the stuff they claim to have
squeezed into that self-booting floppy.

Please download the demo and tell us on SEUL what you think.

Thanks for the link to

>From: Matthew Nolan <Matthew.Nolan@xtra.co.nz>
>Subject: SEUL: Zoose
>I have the sneaking suspicion that this is not a "great" idea posting
>this message here... But I'm thinking of starting a "small" project to
>create a working os with gui, based on linux, but on 1440k disk.
>I was wondering if any of you have thoughts on this, or if such a
>project already exists.
>Ben Nolan

>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:20:12 -0500 (EST)
>From: William T Wilson <fluffy@benatar.dunadan.com>
>To: Matthew Nolan <Matthew.Nolan@xtra.co.nz>
>Subject: Re: SEUL: Zoose
>Unfortunately, this isn't really possible.  X-windows by itself is at
>least three disks, and this doesn't count software.  :(  But you can make
>a working command-line based linux system for some small useful tasks on
>one floppy.  But if you bring a CD-ROM with you to hold X-windows and some
>programs, then you are in good shape!  :)
>You should also look at Linuxita, at
>It is a project to fit a working linux into a 20MB 386, complete with
>X-windows!  :)

>From: Matthew Nolan <Matthew.Nolan@xtra.co.nz>
>I think you can do it, although it will probably be very non-standard.
>EG it won't be x-windows. I think it would be based on linux mainly
>because of the availability of sources and linux's stablility. My main
>thought process behind this project's viability is that
>(c64RAM+ROM+Disk)<1440kdisk. :)

QNX Software Systems Ltd. (QSSL)
a demo that fits a full HTML 3.2 browser,
POSIX-certified real-time OS,
windowing system,
embedded Web server,
Internet dialer,
text editor,
file browser and other applications
onto a single, self-booting 1.44 MB floppy.
... using less than 2 MB of RAM and 4 MB of ROM ...
You can download the demo from
Internet Appliance Toolkit (AIT)
the Odin Reference Design Kit
"all the hardware you need ... NTSC TV and SVGA monitor out, PC Card socket
... fax/modem, Ethernet, ... schematics ... bill of material ... to build a
full-featured Internet appliance for under $200 ... with Odin and the AIT"
Odin from National Semiconductor
-- from advertisement in
_Computer Design_ http://www.computer-design.com/ 1997 Nov

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