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Re: SEUL: Multiple Replies



In message <36354ECD.147031E9@citilink.com>, mdunnett@citilink.com writes:
>It is always a good idea to check your pages. Netscape catches more
>non-standard HTML than IE, but no tool catches everything. The HTML validators
>attempt to. The perl program weblint is a decent checker, and there are many
>more on the web. As mundane as it may seem, if you want a majority of people to
>see your pages, it is necessary to cater to the lowest denomination (until the
>browser people standardize). If you feel we have an audience that is web
>articulate, they probably have the latest browser. The idea is to find out who
>is looking at the page, and make sure they are provided for.

The top couple pages of our agentlog (sorted and with frequencies attached):

  11647 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
  11418 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
   9645 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
   9062 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
   8586 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
   5551 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I)
   5191 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
   4276 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I)
   3807 Mozilla/3.04
   3709 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95)
   3544 Slurp/2.0 (slurp@inktomi.com; http://www.inktomi.com/slurp.html)
   2775 Arachnoidea (arachnoidea@euroseek.com)
   2698 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
   2590 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
   2314 -
   2247 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
   2221 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
   2218 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
   2122 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I)
   2097 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95)
   2094 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
   2081 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
   1805 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 3.1)
   1786 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I)
   1718 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I)
   1635 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)
   1580 Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
   1483 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
   1465 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) 3.21
   1427 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
   1400 Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I)
   1331 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; U)
   1237 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows 95)
   1236 Konqueror/1.0
   1235 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95)
   1222 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I)
   1215 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 3.0; Windows 3.1)
   1136 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586)
   1097 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT)
   1083 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I)
   1065 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSIECrawler; Windows NT)
   1056 ia_archiver/1.6
   1046 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
   1022 Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I)
   1006 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; U)
    978 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; U)
    939 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
    875 Mozilla/3.04Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
    867 Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; I)
    852 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I)
    838 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; I)
    829 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)
    807 Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I)
    804 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686)
    794 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    768 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
    736 Lynx/2.8rel.2 libwww-FM/2.14
    689 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
    677 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
    669 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K)
    662 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
    657 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
    654 LinkWalker
    631 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I)
    610 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i686)
    609 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
    600 Mozilla/4.02 [en] (Win95; I)
    591 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I)
    587 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686)
    584 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
    574 Mozilla/4.05 [de] (Win95; I)
    573 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686)
    567 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) 3.2
    549 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
    544 Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I)
    543 WiseWire-Spider2
    539 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
    529 Scooter/2.0 G.R.A.B. X2.0
    521 Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
    520 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
    517 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
    514 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; I)
    511 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; U)
    511 Mozilla/4.03 [es] (Win95; I)
    510 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
    507 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586; Nav)
    505 Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I)
    503 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSIECrawler; Windows 95)
    502 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686)
    501 Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I)
    494 Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav)
    483 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95)
    473 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i686)
    469 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u)
    464 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; U)
    464 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Win32)
    452 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
    449 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
    447 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (Win98; I)
    443 Mozilla/4.01 [en] (WinNT; I)
    430 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K, Nav)
    429 InfoNaviRobot
    411 Mozilla/4.05 [de]C-NECCK  (Win95; I)
    404 Mozilla/4.03 [de] (Win95; I)
    402 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
    397 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486)
    385 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m)
    381 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
    381 Mozilla/4.0 [en] (Win95; I)
    379 Mozilla/3.04 (WinNT; I)
    378 Mozilla/3.01 (Win16; I)
    376 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
    369 Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I)
    365 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i486)
    357 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m)
    351 Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; U)
    348 Mozilla/4.05 [fr] (Win95; I)
    343 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows 98)
    342 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Mac_PowerPC)
    339 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
    337 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows NT)
    336 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586)
    334 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686; Nav)
    334 Mozilla/4.02 [en] (WinNT; I)
    325 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
    323 Mozilla/3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
    322 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    321 Lynx/2.7.1 libwww-FM/2.14
    318 Mozilla/3.0 (Win16; I)
    316 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
    315 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
    313 Mozilla/4.05 [de] (WinNT; I)
    312 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; U)
    312 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586; Nav)
    310 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav)
    295 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
    293 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows 95)
    291 Mozilla/3.0 (WinNT; I)
    290 Mozilla (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
    289 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
    289 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686; Nav)
    287 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586; Nav)
    278 Lynx/2.6  libwww-FM/2.14
    277 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
    277 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586; Nav)
    273 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
    269 WiseWire-Spider4
    266 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; U)
    266 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 95)
    262 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows NT)
    260 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586; Nav)
    260 Mozilla/3.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
    259 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) v3.1
    256 Mozilla/4.03 [fr] (Win95; I)
    255 Mozilla/4.05 [ja] (Win95; I)
    250 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586)
    250 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95)
    249 Scooter/2.0 G.R.A.B. V1.0.3
    248 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i486)
    246 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    246 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 98)
    243 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.29 i486)
    243 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; MSIECrawler; Windows NT)
    241 Mozilla/3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    240 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
    238 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; U ;Nav)
    228 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
    228 Mozilla/3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
    227 Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
    226 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u)
    225 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; NetMind-Minder/2.0)
    223 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586; Nav)
    222 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    219 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
    219 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 3.1)
    219 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows NT)
    218 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
    218 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows NT)
    215 Mozilla/4.04C-Caldera [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
    213 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win16; I)
    213 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
    213 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
    210 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.1)

Anyway, it looks like the current readers are for the most part
windows MSIE users. I suspect that's the case for just about all
websites out there. (One day, we will change that. That's our goal,
at least. :)

>As far as colors go, there is a palette of "web safe" colors. Any combination
>of those should probably be used if you want people to see pages the way you
>design them. The browser safe palette may still be at
>http://www.lynda.com/hex.html. Whatever you choose, don't put light colored
>text on a light background (a guideline you have adhered to in your examples).
>
>I am still looking at XML. Sun has XML classes for use in Java programs now.
>XML is picking up steam, but still now quite there yet.

I still don't understand why nobody has marketed something like sdoc yet.
It's so extensible it's disgusting. But I've been over that. :)

>Sorry for being abrupt and absent. I'll be around a little more during my job
>change, and I'll help out where I can.
>
>Mark Dunnett

Thanks,
--Roger