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Re: SEUL: Multiple Replies
In message <36354ECD.147031E9@citilink.com>, mdunnett@citilink.com writes:
>It is always a good idea to check your pages. Netscape catches more
>non-standard HTML than IE, but no tool catches everything. The HTML validators
>attempt to. The perl program weblint is a decent checker, and there are many
>more on the web. As mundane as it may seem, if you want a majority of people to
>see your pages, it is necessary to cater to the lowest denomination (until the
>browser people standardize). If you feel we have an audience that is web
>articulate, they probably have the latest browser. The idea is to find out who
>is looking at the page, and make sure they are provided for.
The top couple pages of our agentlog (sorted and with frequencies attached):
11647 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
11418 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
9645 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
9062 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
8586 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
5551 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I)
5191 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
4276 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I)
3807 Mozilla/3.04
3709 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95)
3544 Slurp/2.0 (slurp@inktomi.com; http://www.inktomi.com/slurp.html)
2775 Arachnoidea (arachnoidea@euroseek.com)
2698 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
2590 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
2314 -
2247 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
2221 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
2218 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
2122 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I)
2097 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95)
2094 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
2081 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
1805 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 3.1)
1786 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I)
1718 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I)
1635 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)
1580 Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
1483 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
1465 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) 3.21
1427 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
1400 Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I)
1331 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; U)
1237 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows 95)
1236 Konqueror/1.0
1235 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95)
1222 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I)
1215 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 3.0; Windows 3.1)
1136 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586)
1097 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT)
1083 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I)
1065 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSIECrawler; Windows NT)
1056 ia_archiver/1.6
1046 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
1022 Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I)
1006 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; U)
978 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; U)
939 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
875 Mozilla/3.04Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
867 Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; I)
852 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I)
838 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; I)
829 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)
807 Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I)
804 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686)
794 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
768 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
736 Lynx/2.8rel.2 libwww-FM/2.14
689 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
677 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
669 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K)
662 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
657 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
654 LinkWalker
631 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I)
610 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i686)
609 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
600 Mozilla/4.02 [en] (Win95; I)
591 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I)
587 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686)
584 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
574 Mozilla/4.05 [de] (Win95; I)
573 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686)
567 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) 3.2
549 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
544 Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I)
543 WiseWire-Spider2
539 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
529 Scooter/2.0 G.R.A.B. X2.0
521 Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
520 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
517 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
514 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; I)
511 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; U)
511 Mozilla/4.03 [es] (Win95; I)
510 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav)
507 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586; Nav)
505 Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I)
503 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSIECrawler; Windows 95)
502 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686)
501 Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I)
494 Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav)
483 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95)
473 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i686)
469 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u)
464 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; U)
464 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Win32)
452 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
449 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
447 Mozilla/4.5b2 [en] (Win98; I)
443 Mozilla/4.01 [en] (WinNT; I)
430 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K, Nav)
429 InfoNaviRobot
411 Mozilla/4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I)
404 Mozilla/4.03 [de] (Win95; I)
402 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
397 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486)
385 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m)
381 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
381 Mozilla/4.0 [en] (Win95; I)
379 Mozilla/3.04 (WinNT; I)
378 Mozilla/3.01 (Win16; I)
376 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
369 Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I)
365 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i486)
357 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m)
351 Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; U)
348 Mozilla/4.05 [fr] (Win95; I)
343 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows 98)
342 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Mac_PowerPC)
339 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
337 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows NT)
336 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586)
334 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686; Nav)
334 Mozilla/4.02 [en] (WinNT; I)
325 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
323 Mozilla/3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
322 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
321 Lynx/2.7.1 libwww-FM/2.14
318 Mozilla/3.0 (Win16; I)
316 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
315 Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
313 Mozilla/4.05 [de] (WinNT; I)
312 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; U)
312 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586; Nav)
310 Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav)
295 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586)
293 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows 95)
291 Mozilla/3.0 (WinNT; I)
290 Mozilla (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
289 Mozilla/4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
289 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686; Nav)
287 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586; Nav)
278 Lynx/2.6 libwww-FM/2.14
277 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
277 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586; Nav)
273 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
269 WiseWire-Spider4
266 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; U)
266 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 95)
262 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows NT)
260 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586; Nav)
260 Mozilla/3.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
259 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; Opera/3.0; Windows 95/NT4) v3.1
256 Mozilla/4.03 [fr] (Win95; I)
255 Mozilla/4.05 [ja] (Win95; I)
250 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586)
250 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95)
249 Scooter/2.0 G.R.A.B. V1.0.3
248 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i486)
246 Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
246 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 98)
243 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.29 i486)
243 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; MSIECrawler; Windows NT)
241 Mozilla/3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
240 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
238 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; U ;Nav)
228 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u)
228 Mozilla/3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
227 Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
226 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u)
225 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; NetMind-Minder/2.0)
223 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586; Nav)
222 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
219 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586)
219 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 3.1)
219 Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows NT)
218 Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)
218 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0b1; Windows NT)
215 Mozilla/4.04C-Caldera [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586)
213 Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win16; I)
213 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
213 Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486)
210 Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.1)
Anyway, it looks like the current readers are for the most part
windows MSIE users. I suspect that's the case for just about all
websites out there. (One day, we will change that. That's our goal,
at least. :)
>As far as colors go, there is a palette of "web safe" colors. Any combination
>of those should probably be used if you want people to see pages the way you
>design them. The browser safe palette may still be at
>http://www.lynda.com/hex.html. Whatever you choose, don't put light colored
>text on a light background (a guideline you have adhered to in your examples).
>
>I am still looking at XML. Sun has XML classes for use in Java programs now.
>XML is picking up steam, but still now quite there yet.
I still don't understand why nobody has marketed something like sdoc yet.
It's so extensible it's disgusting. But I've been over that. :)
>Sorry for being abrupt and absent. I'll be around a little more during my job
>change, and I'll help out where I can.
>
>Mark Dunnett
Thanks,
--Roger