On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point entirely (possibly some other posters').On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to circumvent censorship.Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user'sgeography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an oxymoron.I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from their own government than from US authorities._______________________________________________
Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a. Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors, I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.
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