(FWD) Re: SF vs. Seul (was:CVS and other hosting issues)

[Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu>]

(Sorry about this; I blocked traffic from people not subscribed, since
we were having a bout of list-spamming.  I've removed that restriction
again now.)

To respond to Ronen's points: cvs may not be necessary, but it's nice
for a number of reasons:

* Revision control is good for programmers. It keeps things more
organized for people watching code development, and it's also useful
even if there are only two developers, for coordination.
* With cvs and pserver, you can let outside people download the absolute
latest code. This is more useful if there are other people who can
program and who are interested in helping to debug things.. but in
general it means you don't need to release every day just to let people
test the latest code.

Currently our pserver repository has (under games) asc, dragonspeace,
kangband, and tpm. We could easily add xarchon. In fact, I'll cc this
to our cvs guy, and he'll add the xarchon directory and set things up.
(Ales: you can find the latest tgz in /home/ftp/pub/xarchon on cran.)
Send him mail at ahvezda@seul.org if you want to have commit-access to
the repository.

Thanks,
--Roger

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From: "Ronen Tzur" <rtzur@shani.net>
To: <xarchon-l@seul.org>
Subject: Re: SF vs. Seul (was:CVS and other hosting issues)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:29:56 +0200

It's a very minimal setup, as I did all the development on my home computer
and just uploaded tarballs
periodically.  Roger may have set up cvs for the project, but I'm not sure.
In any event, I never used it.

Now, about sf or seul, I really can't tell which is better, but I do know
that Roger has been extra nice
and helping.  And even though seul is less automated when it comes to
project management,
it's not like Roger is going to have to maintain thousands of user accounts.
As it looks now,
we're talking about one or two developers, that's all.

Also, since it's only one or two developers, I'm not sure cvs is that
needed.  Just select a project
leader or whatever, and everybody else can send patches.  It worked for me.
:-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Galen Johnson" <gjohnson@totalsports.net>
To: <xarchon-l@xarchon.seul.org>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 17:37
Subject: Re: SF vs. Seul (was:CVS and other hosting issues)


> I'll put in my $.02 worth...since Felipe has projects on both and seems to
know the pros and cons of each and since
> xarchon would seem to have a relatively small developer base I say we just
leave it at SEUL.  It's already there so
> there may not be any set up; or at most minimal (Ronen could probably
expand upon that).  I would love to be involved
> in the development but my programming is less than minimal since I've only
had a few classes and those were years ago
> (but I want to get back into programming).  I'd be willing to be the
project manager or comanager (since I think
> someone else had also volunteered).  I'd love to see Xarchon become more
developed since I really enjoy this game
> (kudos Ronen) and enjoyed the C64 version back in the day.  I never really
played Archon II but would love to see it
> implemented as well.
>
> =G=
>
> Felipe Bergo wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Lachlan Cox wrote:
> >
> > I have two projects at Seul and three on Sourceforge, so I would like to
> > give some clues to those who don't know SEUL.
> >
> > Seul hosts about 30 free software projects, and when you need something
> > (CVS usage help, new accounts, software installation, etc.) you talk to
> > real people, unlike sourceforge, which has no flexibility. The guys at
> > Seul are not fulltime on it, so you may ask something on their final
exam
> > week and have to wait some days to see it done, but I found it better
than
> > SF's canned project hosting. My bigger projects are on Seul (gPS and
> > YAWMPPP) and one smaller and two growing children are at Sourceforge
> > (Blackbook, GGLOW and MIT [Morphological Image Toolbox, not
Massachussets
> > Institute of Technology :)]. The great thing about SF is the easiness of
> > adding a bunch of developers to the project, that's why I put GGLOW
there,
> > as I think (or hope) someday plenty of people will join it.
> >
> > My advice is: if you are less than 10 people, stay at Seul.
> > Sourceforge is only worth if the overhead of account creation @seul is
too
> > much (e.g. too much people entering and leaving the project). Seul does
> > provide CVS, mailing list, FTP, HTTP, SSH shell to development hosts.
> >
> > Those who don't know SEUL are invited to http://www.seul.org.
> >
> > Hope I could be of any help.
> >
>


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