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SEUL: Fwd: comments on frontpage

I've gotten a couple of good comments about the website. Nobody
has actually sent me bad comments about it.

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From: Lyle Seaman <LSeaman@stormsystems.com>
To: "'Roger Dingledine '" <arma@MIT.EDU>
Cc: "'seul@seul.org'" <seul@seul.org>
Subject: RE: comments on frontpage 
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:59:22 -0500 

Ok, I'll admit that I'm not really going to print it out and frame it.
I exaggerated.  But I wasn't being sarcastic, which is probably a first
for me.  I've just been more and more frustrated by the dreck (both the
HTML and the visual effect) that is produced by the popular
point-n-click editors.  The only way to get rid of the HTML dreck is
hand-editing, an increasingly lost art.  The only way to get rid of the
visual dreck is a change of mind.   It seems that in most cases, the
more effort someone puts into a web page, the uglier it gets.   So a
clean (spartan, even) well-organized and aesthetically pleasant home
page came as a real shock.  Thanks.

From: Roger Dingledine
To: Lyle Seaman
Cc: seul@seul.org
Sent: 12/1/98 8:54:21 PM
Subject: Re: comments on frontpage 

In message , 
 lseaman@stormsystems.com writes:
>very nice.  One of the best web pages I've seen in years.  I'm going to
>print it out and frame it.
>You wrote it by hand, didn't you?

Well, one of the seul-pub people wrote up a framework with some windows
html editor (hotdog I think?), and then I started tweaking it from
So for the most part, it's by hand, yes.

I've read your mail several times now, and I still can't figure out if
you're being sarcastic or not. :)
But in either case, do you have any suggestions for improving the


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