Re: gEDA-user: PAL/CPLD programming

[Michel-Andre iStop <michelandre@xxxxxxxxx>]

Once I liked those 22V10 quite a lot.
I tried to build programmer for them which will be very cheap, standard 
parts, compact, transportable, usable with free software etc...
No need for a special socket to program it. I used a standard PLCC and 
made a 1/4" hole in the middle of it. I take the strip out of the cheap 
ZIF and insert a round nail at the back throught the hole and push out 
the 22V10
The software is the standard ATMEL one. It was available to download 
when I did that project.

If you want to try it, visit my site and fell free to use it.
I am releasing it under stardard GPL license

http://micronator.org/schematic/ISPATMEL.PDF
http://micronator.org/wirewrap/ispGALavecCableBatWallettexte.jpg
http://micronator.org/wirewrap/Positionprogrammation.jpg
http://micronator.org/wirewrap/PositionTransport.jpg

Michel-André
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Ormund Williams wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 18:48, Bert Douglas wrote:
>  
>
> > I recently did a similar search.  I had to modify a pal in a 15 year old
> > design, and the original tools are long gone.
> >
> > It seems no one is using 22v10s any more in new designs, and it is difficult
> > to find software.
> >
> > One of the final versions of palasm from MMI/AMD has been made free as in
> > beer.  It is a DOS program.
> > http://vision.ece.uic.edu/class/ece465/palasm/
> > With some trickery I was able to install it on windows xp.  It will probably
> > work in dosemu.  AMD has since spun off their pld division to Vantis.  You
> > might search there as well.
> >
> > Palasm is not pretty, but you can't get much in a 22v10 anyway, so it
> > doesn't really matter.
> >
> > I do not think there is any working PAL software for Linux/Unix.
> >
> >
> >    
> Atmel also has some free(beer) software for windows that seems to work
> under wine, I did a design with it about 2 years ago.  I think you have
> to register and they send you a key.
>
>  
>
> > > I am looking for software to generate JEDEC files that can be
> > > programmed into 22v10 PAL's and some of the older MACH isp parts.  Is
> > > there anything open source that is available that will run under
> > > Linux?
> > >
> > > I found Icarus PAL, but it only seems to read JEDEC files, not write
> > > them.  I know that Icarus Verilog will generate EDIF format.  Are
> > > there any tools that will fit the EDIF to JEDEC files for 22v10's or
> > > MACH parts?
> > >
> > > We have been using the Lattice Design Direct software under Windows
> > > 98.  We have pretty much have to  reinstall Windows plus the
> > > application software every semester because by the end of each
> > > semester the machines are pretty much flakey due to viruses, spyware,
> > > adware, etc.  I am hoping to reduce these problems by moving to Linux.
> > > The Lattice software starts up under wine, but causes an "unhandled
> > > exception" when trying to open or create a new project file...
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill Dieter.
> > > Assistant Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering
> > > University of Kentucky
> > > Lexington, KY 40506-0046
> > >