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Re: gEDA-user: reflow oven



On Sun, 07 May 2006 17:59:45 +0200
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Your original idea strikes me as extremely sound. Isolating the Pt100 
> sensor, on the other hand, strikes me as a really bad idea.

Well, I was thinking about that this solution won't work either. After all, I don't want to control the temperature of the PT100, but the PCB.

> What you actually want to control is the temperature of the board you 
> are reflowing.

That's true. That's way I put the PT100 on a PCB. I guess the problem with it is that there is no copper on that pcb. So it's not a good model of a PCB reflowed.
 
> Putting the sensor onto a significant lump of printed circuit board - 
> something that is at least ten times longer and wider than it is 
> thick - seems to be to be pretty much essential if you want your 
> sensor to be sensing a temperature that is anywhere near the 
> temperature of the board to be reflowed.

Again, I wanted to model the PCB reflowed.

> Such a sensor will necessarily react more slowly to changes in 
> infra-red power input than a bare sensor, so you are going to need a 
> proportional/integral/derivative controller to get a stable and quick

I guess the PID is the magic word for me. Believe or not, my room mate has a degree in automatics, and he was not able to help me. I'm a telecom engineer. So far, what I did is incrementing my output PWM when the temperature was low, and set the power to 0, when it was too high.

> control loop. You might also need to linearise the voltage output of 
> the control amplifier to get a roughly linear relationship between 
> error signal at the input and corrective temperature rise at the 
> sensor, bearing in mind that power dissipation in the infra-red 
> source is proportional to the square of the applied voltage, its 
> temperature rise (if dominated by convection) will thus be roughly 
> proportional to the applied voltage, while its radiated output 
> increases as the fourth power of its absolute temperature.

Indeed. That's basic electronics.

> Messy physics ...

No, it's very interesting for me. Thank you very much for the overview! Next week, I'll be busy implementing the PID control.

Levente

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