Re: gEDA-user: Does anybody know an open source vhdl-ams simulator?

[al davis <ad136@freeelectron.net>]

On Monday 21 May 2007, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote:
> On 5/21/07, Dan McMahill <dan@mcmahill.net> wrote:
> > one of those advantages is I'm not sure that java is as
> > widely ported as c++.
>
> It is more widely ported than some of the applications
> written in C++. In my very honest opinion, it doesn't help to
> have a programming language that is ported to all kinds of
> ancient or exotic hardware when installing and running on
> WinXP isn't possible or only with very much extra hacking
> work.

Java is widely ported enough.  There is "gcj", which is a gcc 
front end for java.

Claimed C++ porting problems are not problems with the language, 
but the tendency to use libraries and the like that have 
issues.  Plain C++ ports fine.  Now add some library, which 
uses some other library ...  You need to port all of them.

> Sun is taking efforts to really open their Java because they
> see that they have a disadvantage on Linux systems. Once Java
> is going to be as easy to install with any distribution
> packaging tool as gcc is, we can start talking again about
> platforms supported. GPL does have its advantages.

I think the issue here is that many people see Java as a product 
made by Sun, rather than as a general purpose programming 
language.  There needs to be competing implementations, like 
there are for C and C++.

For us, who are putting out a suite of tools, licensed under 
GPL, it doesn't make sense to depend on a single company 
produced product.  I suppose if it was licensed GPL .....  (it 
might be, but it wasn't initially)

Like you say, GPL has its advantages.

As to porting, and giving an example ...   Compiling a recent 
version of Electric is not straightforward.



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