Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Gregory Disney <gregory.disney@xxxxxxxxx>]

Let's not dread on things out of our control; IMO we should use these
concerns to develop solutions then turn them into soultions that we can
implement. Obviously we can't develop around assassinations nor state
funded terrorism, but we can develop a solution for  backdoors
and information leaks.




On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM, adrelanos <adrelanos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Sebastian G. <bastik.tor>:
> > (Fun part?)
>
> Not a fun part for me. It's sad that these concern have been raised by
> a troll (or someone who doesn't know how to behave). However, these
> concerns are valid, and from my perspective, I can't understand why
> they are easily dismissed.
>
> > About assassinating (double ass) the (core?) Tor people....
> >
> > I have read that you can hire assassins on hidden-services.
> > Wouldn't it be ironic if one hires an assassin (or many of them)
> > via hidden-services to take the lives or Tor people?
> >
> > They tend to pile up on something they call developers meeting
> > (aka DevMeeting). It's kind of public when and where such a
> > meetings will take place and who will attend to them.
> >
> > The US owns drones (and they love to use them), European states buy
> > also drones so if someone gets accused for treason, which is
> > probably Mr. Jacob Appelbaum because of his relation to wikileaks,
> > while Tor is also a threat such a meeting would be a juicy target.
> > With someone killed for treason or terrorism (or supporting it) the
> > other dead bodies are just collateral damage.
> >
> > That doesn't scare me.
>
> It scares me.
>
> > I'd never want that to happen.
>
> Me neither.
>
> > If it doesn't look like an accident (in this case or any other)
> > people will notice about them missing or being killed. I hope that
> > people will fight murders.
> >
> > Tor might be dead, but people will be upset about the death of
> > innocent people.
>
> Yes, people will be upset, too few to see things change. People
> tortured in Guantanamo, Bradley Manning, list goes on... go through
> things which are worse than death.
>
> > What's more concerning is that they could back-door Tor, all it
> > takes is to turn one developer around, let anyone know about the
> > back-door and people will loose trust.
>
> Yes.
>
> > That could kill Tor as well.
>
> Or people who could help will finally help pushing the deterministic
> build feature. Often a fail finally helps to make a change.
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