Re: [tor-talk] http://torbrowser.sourceforge.net/

["A. Megas" <textbrowser@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Randolph has good intentions, although his approaches require
refinement. I've asked him several times to discontinue promoting Dooble to
the Tor community. I'm responsible for Dooble, but I can't control its
existence beyond Sourceforge. The official site for Dooble and its Wiki
entry (as of right now) do not mention Tor.

As for leaking IP information, we work with a framework (Qt) that has
issues and limitations. Every release of Dooble includes detailed
information covering all of the fixes and improvements.

Thanks.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Matthew Finkel
<matthew.finkel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Randolph D. <rdohm321@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > As you already can see on the website, it is added (maybe done later than
> > you looked first):
> >
> > "TorBrowser Source code is open source and not affiliated with Tor, but
> > simply use Tor. "Tor" and the "Onion Logo" are registered trademarks of
> the
> > Tor Project, Inc. Content on this site is licensed under a Creative
> Commons
> > Attribution 3.0 License, unless otherwise noted."
> >
> > this should remove any confusion.
> >
> > do we agree to this? not affiliated means independently. As tor is used,
> > tor should be working as needed.
> > "Guarantee from the Tor Project" should then be the same, you might mean
> > "Guarantee from the TBB",  but see above: it is clear that it is not an
> > offical bundle, but might become one, as you write: empirical existence
> and
> > development will show later.
> > In case you cannot live with "not affiliated, just simply uses Tor" and
> it
> > is still creating confusion, we can adjust that even more.
> >
> > Thanks. Regards
> >
> > 2012/8/15 Andrew Lewman <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >>  Adding the disclaimer, seen below,
> >> somewhere obvious on your pages would go along way to removing the
> >> confusion.
> >>
> >> “This product is produced independently from the Tor® anonymity
> >> software and carries no guarantee from The Tor Project about quality,
> >> suitability or anything else.”
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> --
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> I mostly ignored this thread because I didn't think it was a big deal.
> I figured the name of your new web browser would most likely confuse
> people, but that could easily be changed once enough people convinced
> you of that. But then I actually decided to visit the website, and I
> was shocked. That must have taken you some time to get it so similar
> to torproject.org. Just flipping back and forth between two tabs, I
> was amazed at how close they are. But this amazement comes at a
> potentially very steep price. Many others have already said it but are
> you trying to confuse people? And you said, in not so many words, that
> you know that your browser leaks DNS queries. How many people have
> downloaded your browser thinking it is affiliated with Tor and that it
> will provide them with anonymity? How many people are now at risk? [1]
>
> [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/torbrowser/files/stats/timeline
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