Re: [tor-talk] German Laywer Sasse & Partner call to order / German Abmahnung

[T F <torabused@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Juha,

thank you very much!

I am already searching for that part of the German Law. ^^
I cut my letter really short now and wait for the law that legitimate Tor
under German Law.

Thank you Very much for your words. :-)

I didn't sleep well this nite :( but I am working to feel much better if I
send them this letter. ^.^

best regardes


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Nurmi, Juha <juha.nurmi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sure we will help you and do not worry.
>
> First of all, this is a civil case and they just try to scare you from
> downloading with Bittorrent. Because you are not doing that and are able to
> tell them about this they will eventually leave you alone.
>
> However, do not write anything unrelated technical or "not 100% proof of my
> guilt". Instead, you need to give a very simple and short answer to them,
> including 1) you have not ever used Bittorrent and have not downloaded
> anything 2) you are running Tor exit node which is an Internet router that
> is transferring third party traffic and you do not know the end users nor
> have any logs 3) show them that this Tor exit node is working under the law
> of German (I am not from German but I know that this law is there
> somewhere. Hopefully, someone will post it soon).
>
> Further, this might be useful to know:
> http://falsecolour.com/aw/sasse/sasse.html
>
> Relax :)
>
> Greetings,
> Juha Nurmi
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM, T F <torabused@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hey Leo,
> >
> > thank you very much! I already read that Templates, but there is nothing
> > about P2P Traffic.
> > I already tried to setup a letter for the lawyer which has corresponding
> > information about the Tor Exit Node. But I am not really concerned about
> > telling him that Information!!! He is in the offending Position, I do not
> > know if it is a good Idea to tell him too much about my activity! He
> finds
> > a way to get me down.
> >
> > I am currently thinking about, telling him that the Guardly Ltd. did a
> big
> > misstake in sorting my IP-Adress out of their traffic. I also told them
> > that P2P is only working when yourself is offering Upload and Download at
> > the same time. If you want an IPAdress of an Torrent Client you have to
> > download the File yourself and then you offer the first bit you
> downloaded
> > by yourself and they are also guilty by detecting others, they support
> the
> > sharing of files by their work. No one can proof this, but they also
> could
> > not 100% proof my guilty alone with the IP-Adress and some Data they
> > captured. ^^
> >
> > Also my Tor Exit Node only allows 10 MB in one session, so the P2P user
> get
> > cut off after 10 MB and is relayd to another Exit node. I never could
> offer
> > the whole File transfare about my own one node tor exit.
> >
> > Can someone proof my way of arguments.
> >
> > thank you
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Leo Unglaub <leo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > On 02/06/2014 12:03 PM, T F wrote:
> > > > I need arguments for the Answer to the Laywer and need some support
> > from
> > > > the Tor Community. Cause I am and feel not guilty! I haven't done
> > > something
> > > > wrong in my view, but I am the owner of my Internet Accesspoint and
> in
> > > > Germany I am personally responsible for any abuses which causes from
> my
> > > > Internet Access!
> > >
> > > there are some templates you can use in this case. They are documented
> > > here:
> > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorAbuseTemplates
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > > Leo
> > >
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