Re: [tor-talk] German Laywer Sasse & Partner call to order / German Abmahnung

["Manuel Brandlhuber" <manu@xxxxxxxx>]

The law you are looking for is $8 Telemediengesetz
(https://openjur.de/g/tmg/8.html)

Do you have an reduced exit policy on your server as shown in
https://blog.torproject.org/running-exit-node?


LG
manu

> Hey Juha,
>
> thank you very much!
>
> I am already searching for that part of the German Law. ^^
> I cut my letter really short now and wait for the law that legitimate Tor
> under German Law.
>
> Thank you Very much for your words. :-)
>
> I didn't sleep well this nite :( but I am working to feel much better if I
> send them this letter. ^.^
>
> best regardes
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Nurmi, Juha <juha.nurmi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sure we will help you and do not worry.
>>
>> First of all, this is a civil case and they just try to scare you from
>> downloading with Bittorrent. Because you are not doing that and are able
>> to
>> tell them about this they will eventually leave you alone.
>>
>> However, do not write anything unrelated technical or "not 100% proof of
>> my
>> guilt". Instead, you need to give a very simple and short answer to
>> them,
>> including 1) you have not ever used Bittorrent and have not downloaded
>> anything 2) you are running Tor exit node which is an Internet router
>> that
>> is transferring third party traffic and you do not know the end users
>> nor
>> have any logs 3) show them that this Tor exit node is working under the
>> law
>> of German (I am not from German but I know that this law is there
>> somewhere. Hopefully, someone will post it soon).
>>
>> Further, this might be useful to know:
>> http://falsecolour.com/aw/sasse/sasse.html
>>
>> Relax :)
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Juha Nurmi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM, T F <torabused@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Leo,
>> >
>> > thank you very much! I already read that Templates, but there is
>> nothing
>> > about P2P Traffic.
>> > I already tried to setup a letter for the lawyer which has
>> corresponding
>> > information about the Tor Exit Node. But I am not really concerned
>> about
>> > telling him that Information!!! He is in the offending Position, I do
>> not
>> > know if it is a good Idea to tell him too much about my activity! He
>> finds
>> > a way to get me down.
>> >
>> > I am currently thinking about, telling him that the Guardly Ltd. did a
>> big
>> > misstake in sorting my IP-Adress out of their traffic. I also told
>> them
>> > that P2P is only working when yourself is offering Upload and Download
>> at
>> > the same time. If you want an IPAdress of an Torrent Client you have
>> to
>> > download the File yourself and then you offer the first bit you
>> downloaded
>> > by yourself and they are also guilty by detecting others, they support
>> the
>> > sharing of files by their work. No one can proof this, but they also
>> could
>> > not 100% proof my guilty alone with the IP-Adress and some Data they
>> > captured. ^^
>> >
>> > Also my Tor Exit Node only allows 10 MB in one session, so the P2P
>> user
>> get
>> > cut off after 10 MB and is relayd to another Exit node. I never could
>> offer
>> > the whole File transfare about my own one node tor exit.
>> >
>> > Can someone proof my way of arguments.
>> >
>> > thank you
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Leo Unglaub <leo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey,
>> > >
>> > > On 02/06/2014 12:03 PM, T F wrote:
>> > > > I need arguments for the Answer to the Laywer and need some
>> support
>> > from
>> > > > the Tor Community. Cause I am and feel not guilty! I haven't done
>> > > something
>> > > > wrong in my view, but I am the owner of my Internet Accesspoint
>> and
>> in
>> > > > Germany I am personally responsible for any abuses which causes
>> from
>> my
>> > > > Internet Access!
>> > >
>> > > there are some templates you can use in this case. They are
>> documented
>> > > here:
>> > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorAbuseTemplates
>> > >
>> > > Greetings
>> > > Leo
>> > >
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