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Re: [tor-talk] Escape NSA just to enter commercial surveillance?

On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:58:50 +0100
Markus Hitter <mah@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 32C3 a few weeks ago ...
> https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7322-tor_onion_services_more_useful_than_you_think
> ... Roger cheered a lot about Facebook offering a hidden service.
> To be honest, this surprises me quite a bit.

	Of course. It's absurd. There's nothing hidden about
	facebook's location so a 'hidden' service is...nonsense.

> Tor is for anonymisation,
> so one can escape tax paid surveillance by NSA, GCHQ & Co., which is
> useful. And then such a Tor user connects to Facebook, where one has
> to log in, making this anonymisation completely pointless? At least I
> don't get the point.

	The point is propaganda. Facebook wanting to pose as defending
	privacy when they actually are privacy's worst enemy.

> Even assuming that Facebook doesn't regularly exchange user data with
> NSA, this makes mass surveillance trivial. Useful, welcome, or not,
> Facebook does mass surveillance on its own, as stated business
> practice. Also, I'm pretty sure if another Manning-like case appears,
> NSA would immediately command Facebook to offer the related user
> identification.

	...assuming facebook isn't already fowarding relevant data in
	real time, all of the time...

> If there's cheering about Facebook hidden services, shouldn't always a
> note be added that logging in there identifies a user, making Tor
> (almost) pointless?
> Markus

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