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Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology
On 3/22/2011 11:38 AM, Kasimir Gabert wrote:
No idea why funding from one source is an issue. Not a requirement for
an organization or project to do well or go south.
Of course, if Tor was only funded from one
subtree, say the imaginary "US Monitoring Internet Communications
Agency" then you might have some reason to be concerned.
Some of Watson's, Gregory's & Kasimir's possible explanations are at
least plausible. They may not be correct, but who's to say - & they
didn't require conspiracy.
I'm not quite as naive as some seem to think. When I refer to
"govt(s)", I mean which ever dept(s) are involved in a specific
endeavor. Even diff depts involved in same project may not agree.
That's weakly related to my question.
The point about supporting the Taliban is well taken. That's happened
many times. So are several others - like govts in general, making bad
One of my main questions was about, if Tor is * indeed * anonymous to
govts in general, it is one of the most powerful tools for terrorist
groups (not nations). Now, if one wants to argue that govt agencies
being able to communicate w/ whomever outweighs terrorist groups being
able to communicate openly, constantly, w/o fear of intercepted info -
how can I argue? I'm not sure most advanced countries are that
stupid. Don't know the answer, but know there's usually more than meets
Doesn't matter who ALL funds Tor (or any project); what matters is who
is / can do what w/ the technology or info. It's great lots of people
fund it, but doesn't prove anything one way or other.
Saying that there's a possibility govtS know (or can do) more about
intercepting ANY kind of anonymous communications than the developers,
universities, private researchers THINK that govts know, is no more a
conspiracy theory than the (now) fact that individuals or depts working
on the A bomb did not know what the other depts were doing, or how it
would all fit together. That was for the purpose of national security.
They would be the same w/ Tor or anything other technology - protect the
To say the same thing as in WWII hasn't repeatedly happened or won't
continue to, is naive - for Tor or anything else. I DON'T KNOW if ANY
govt, anywhere can intercept Tor communications. *If* they could, I
know no govt(s) agencies or developers would be allowed to say so. Like
I said, it's a hard sell. People are still waiting for WMDs to be found
"over there," because that's what they were told.
Good night & have a pleasant tomorrow.
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