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Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

On 3/22/2011 3:57 PM, Michael Reed wrote:

BINGO, we have a winner! The original *QUESTION* posed that led to the invention of Onion Routing was, "Can we build a system that allows for bi-directional communications over the Internet where the source and destination cannot be determined by a mid-point?" The *PURPOSE* was for DoD / Intelligence usage (open source intelligence gathering, covering of forward deployed assets, whatever). ... The short answer to your question of "Why would the government do this?" is because it is in the best interests of some parts of the government to have this capability...


Very interesting, Michael. You were a part of it (or knew of it) & it was because govt intelligence (you are aware many - not me - call that an oxy moron:)) wanted a system they could use for various purposes, where the source & destination can't be determined by one of the mid points?

That does make sense. BTW, I never said conspiracy - others did. Besides, many use the word or concept incorrectly. A govt developing technology to use in defending the country isn't a conspiracy. Covering up illegal activities, for instance, would be a conspiracy (like Watergate). If some govt has figured out how to "decode" Tor traffic (or use it to great advantage) to thwart terrorists, that's not conspiracy.

I'm going out on a limb to say that US intelligence does not believe Tor gives terrorists a great advantage - for what ever reason(s), or else they'd shut it down, or at least stop funding it. But then, we & other countries continue supplying arms to groups in various conflicts, which they often shoot back at us. That said, it may be an earlier poster's comment about lack of foresight may apply. It would seem that enemies *might* benefit from it as much as govts, unless govts are capable of more than many think they are. No one, except people w/ high level clearance (perhaps various countries) knows the full answer to that, and they're not talking.

They thought the A-bomb was a good idea & no other country would get the technology. Huh. I was on the fence on that one. It *may* be much like other ideas, such as the famous introduction of cats to an island, where they had no natural enemies. It almost destroyed the island's eco system.

For "what did you think might happen" sorts of things that individuals & govts do, I now reference them as "Introducing Cats to an Island" principles. Ideas that sound good at 1st, except for forgetting to ask (and seriously ponder) the most important question of all, "What's the worst that can happen if we..." "Hey, let's build nuclear reactors on major fault lines all over the world." "Yeah, that sounds good."

Good night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.

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