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Re: [tor-talk] google analytics says it can track across separate domains

Everything takes time. You get upset because the software and the
network you get to use for free is not perfect and you wonder why.

I get upset because you make me explain to you over and over again how
things work and why we've made the choices we've made with respect to
development priorities.

I have to do this instead of actually fixing the problems you complain
about, you know.. Actually, I don't have to do it. I don't even know why
I'm doing it... So don't push your luck, or no one will bother to answer
you at all.

How do we get to the point where I can stop answering the same questions
from you over and over again? 

I've tried to document everything I've done. Maybe that documentation is
still over your head, but you're not really telling me how or where it
is over your head.

It seems we might need a more effective translator between us before we
can expect to come to an understanding.

Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfsplk@xxxxxxx):

> On 5/19/2012 9:17 PM, Mike Perry wrote:
> >I'm confused. What vectors do you belief remain that we have not
> >covered a few dozen times in this thread and others? You smell a
> >lot like a timewasting troll... I'm trying to help you understand
> >what we're doing because I think it's important for everyone to
> >understand. But you sure aren't making it easy ;)
> >
> I may be confused about TBB's ability to either stop * ALL *
> trackers or render them harmless for Tor users' purposes, but I'm
> not confused about your rudeness.  I resent the hell out of that.
> Some vectors I might be concerned about are the many bug reports
> you've pointed out; Flash isn't controllable.... no need to list all
> unresolved issues - you pointed out several.
> Maybe you smell like a money grubbing hack trying to tout semi
> anonymous software, for * some *  $ & the attention it brings you.
> :D  How do you like being disparaged w/o any basis?
> I didn't mean any of that - just making a point.  See, & if I put a
> emoticon after the insult, it makes it OK.
> Time wasting troll?  I'm not a mindless drone that accepts
> everything at face value.  I contribute a lot to this list & I've
> come up w/ some ideas (or co-ideas) that were incorporated.  I
> contribute a lot more to the list than I get out of occasionally
> using Tor.
> I think the problem may lie, not in the student, but in the
> teacher's explanations.  I used to have some professors that got mad
> when students didn't understand or if they questioned the
> professors' logic or calculations.  Who's fault was that?  And no,
> we haven't covered ALL the different types of tracking cookies (as
> if they all behave the same), in any detail, "a few dozen times" -
> not in this list.  Not even a few times.
> Professional programmers sometimes talk over the heads of very
> educated, but non - programmer users.  Most of Tor's user base
> probably aren't programmers & if it grows like it needs to, most
> will definitely not be programmers.  Now, if * some * of the
> programming crowd wants to talk down to & even insult non-programmer
> users (many, if not most are very patient & helpful), that are
> trying to understand how or if Tor works, go ahead.   It won't help
> build the user base.
> As far as me questioning how or if TBB handles something, you act as
> though there isn't a constant stream of bug fixes.  Just because *
> anyone * says something (ANYthing) works - w/o question, doesn't
> make it so.  What we think works today, turns out to have  bugs (or
> someone found a hole) tomorrow.
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Mike Perry

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