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Re: [school-discuss] Example teacher request for OSS
You misunderstand. I was not commenting on how_they're_put on the Web. I
was commenting on the vehicles used for more indepth collaboration and
problem solving. Pre-organizing content is fine as a reference point for
teachers and students (like the wiki-textbook project going on at World
Bridges), but true transformation comes from direct student experience.
(I am probably a constructivist at heart) Your last example of using the
thinkquest model was much closer to my point. WebQuests are great to
introduce a teacher to some of the great resources on the web -- real
paradigm shift for transformation is much different. David Warlick has
quite a few discussions on this topic at his Blog , Two Cents Worth. The
openness of social software (from storytelling to tagging) is what I think
will really transform the classroom. Ah, but I diverge from the topic at
schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 8:21 PM
>Webquests are not perfect, but _how_ their put on the Web (a la Web2)
>change the need for a process of finding content and "pre-organizing" it
>student-use in a pedagogically accepted way. Blogs and wikis are great
>post them so they can be used and edited by others. Personal search,
>other methods that do not make a permanent address at which they can be
>are less attractive, but since searching would be incorporated, I guess
>might be dependable ... that is, available. I believe they are, by the
>true way of transforming learning, or at least a bridge to one, but with
>condition that they take the thinkquest model of requiring collaboration
>students in different physical locations and that the product of their
>also be made available via the Web.
>----- Message from sbetts@xxxxxxxxxx ---------
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sharon Betts <sbetts@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [school-discuss] Example teacher request for OSS
> To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> In the "futuristic" group of technology integrators/educators,
>> are on the way out. They are a good way to hook a teacher into using
>> technology, but not a true method for actually transforming learning.
>> seems that web 2.0 methods are taking over.
>> Can we include some of these also: blog, wiki, chat, personal search
>> methods, etc.
>> schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at
>> PM -0500 wrote:
>>> Hi Daniel, What about Webquests?
>>> ----- Message from dhhoward@xxxxxxxxxxx ---------
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:24:30 -0400
>>> From: Daniel Howard <dhhoward@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Reply-To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [school-discuss] Example teacher request for OSS
>>> To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Further to Sharon and Justin's comments about making it easy for
>>>> teachers looking for open source software applications, here is a
>>>> request from one of my 4th grade teachers. I scanned the App Index,
>>>> the applications listed under geography look more like tools to build
>>>> something or complex GIS apps, as opposed to applications for students
>>>> to learn basic map skills, geography, or latitude and longitude.
>>>> have any suggestions? Daniel
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>> 4^th grade team is wondering in regards to one of our IB units on
>>>> Does Linux edutainment have any programs for map skills, geography, or
>>>> latitude and longitude, etc?
>>>> Is there some open software we could download to Linux for this?
>>> ----- End message from dhhoward@xxxxxxxxxxx -----
>>> There are a few things that are not ideal about Webquests (such as the
>>> fact that
>>> they usually exhibit no understanding of licensing issues and do not
>>> Web-based collaboration enough), but they are a good start.
>>> I suggest Web quests because they are educationally sound in structure
>>> invite both the teacher and also the student into the process. If the
>>> Webquests or Web quests (both spellings are used) don't fit a problem
>>> they are a good starting point for making one's own.
>>> A problem with Web quests, of course, is that the sites to which they
>>> link often
>>> change, thus frustrating the teacher looking for a lesson at the last
>>> I have a lot to say about this but suffice it to say I quickly found
>>> some things
>>> your teachers could have found for themselves. They need to realize
>>> is their problem, not just yours.
>>> Learning about latitude and longitude requires varioius lessons in
>>> students are given the opportunity to "get" the concept and apply it at
>>> and deeper levels.
>>> Search for latitude:
>>> Search on google for same:
>>> I also put together this page a few years ago for the broader issues of
>>> without textbooks or desktop software:
>>> This is just a start, obviously. I think it's how planning should
>>> not saying that someone couldn't create the equivalent of kstars and
>>> based on it. That would be great. But as your teachers know, lesson
>>> is a constantly evolving process. Even if you've taught the same thing
>>> times, you revisit it and refine it. Webquests fit that process.
>>> Best wishes,
>>> David Bucknell
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