Re: perl and gtk

[Brian <briank@hex.net>]

So tell us what's really on your mind.  :)

Actually, your points are quite valid.  At the risk of repeating myself
(and you), I would like to see more attention given to *END-USER* needs.
Several educators have spoken up here in this regard, and I sense no one
is listening.  All of the discussions concerning languages, toolkits,
etc. is fine and well, but there are plenty of newsgroups and mailing
lists that cover these subjects.  I'm waiting for Doug or whomever to
get a list of objectives posted on SEUL, so I can get off my ass (as you
put it) and get to work on something I want to do, in the language I
want to do it in.

Too many software projects forget about the end-user, and take on the
desires of the program designers rather than users.  We need to listen
to the information and suggestions being presented here by those who
will be *using* the software, and plan accordingly.  Otherwise, we'll
simply be yet another geek mailing list talking about all the latest and
greatest new toys that make *our* lives easier.

Like many of you, my spare time is not in great abundance.  I think I
have something valuable to contribute to a cause I believe in, but I'm
not interested in being on the latest, still-in-beta cutting edge of
various g-prefixed programming environments because I simply do not have
the time to tackle steep learning curves.

  --Brian


Matt Wimer wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I added myself to this list thinking people here would
> actually care about what sort of apps are being written
> for end user unix/linux education.  I can see already
> that this is not the case.
> 
> You people seem more interested in disscusing languages
> that you haven't used or won't use or chase tangets
> that really don't relate the end user applications.
> 
> we all want to see applications that can be used in an
> educational environment.  I can know that none of
> us really know what language or toolkit is really
> the best for these kind of applications.
> 
> how about we actually code something in perl/tk
> or perl/gtk or c++/qt or what have you.
> 
> Then lets see which is the best. :)
> 
> Likewise if the people on this list can't code,
> why not design the applications you want?  Maybe some
> coder will come along and code the app.  It is
> unlikely but atleast you will have done something
> worthwhile.
> 
> for my gradebook app someone mentioned a spreedsheet
> like gradebook would be very nice.  OF COURSE IT WOULD
> BE NICE.  That is why i, as a coder and designer, am
> trying to make the system work as close to a spreedsheet
> as possible.  Likewise having a database backend is nice,
> so i am doing that as well.
> 
> I guess what i am tring to say is:
> 
> 1. If you can't code then design but, don't bitch about
> a language or a toolkit.
> 
> 2. If you can't design but can code then write an application
> someone has already designed.  Use any language or toolkit
> you want.
> 
> 3. if you can do both, don't just sit there on your ass. :)
> And, when you are done you can tell us just how damn fine
> some toolkit or language is.
> 
> how does this all relate to perl/gtk?  well i have used it
> and find it works nice.
> 
> --matt wimer

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