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Re: [seul-edu] New educational section in GNU
>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Loss <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
Douglas> On 26 Dec 2000, Vladimir Tamara wrote:
>> As I expressed in my previous email, I wish that Seul/Edu, GNU
>> and seveal other projects could work in team. If Seul/Edu
>> decides to support also the values of free software and the
>> position of GNU as it supports currently the installation of
>> GNU/Linux in schools, please let me know to add links to the
>> Seul/Edu web pages from the GNU server and to look for other
>> ways to cooperate.
Douglas> There are some misunderstandings in this discussion, from
Douglas> both sides I think. I'll try to lay out the areas in
Douglas> which I think we're talking past each other (as usual, I
Douglas> may be and probably am missing some other such areas).
Douglas> SEUL/edu does support the values of free software. We
Douglas> have never failed to encourage, support, and provide
Douglas> resources for projects to develop free software for
Douglas> educational purposes. However, we recognize that there
Douglas> are some software niches that are considered mandatory,
Douglas> or nearly so, for use in schools for which there are no
Douglas> free applications available and none under development.
Douglas> If there are commercial programs available for Linux in
Douglas> these niches we do publicize their availability in the
Douglas> hope that they will help make Linux a viable,
Douglas> unfrightening choice for use in schools. If and when
Douglas> projects start up to create free software in these
Douglas> niches, we encourage, support, and provide resources for
Douglas> them just as we do for any other free educational
Douglas> software projects.
Douglas> I realize that this viewpoint (which I consider to be a
Douglas> pragmatic superset of the GNU guidelines) doesn't square
Douglas> entirely with the FSF rules. I understand that the FSF
Douglas> has to maintain their strictures if they're to stay
Douglas> morally and ideologically consistent. It's unfortunate
Douglas> that those strictures prevent these two groups from
Douglas> working together toward goals that are substantially the
Douglas> same. SEUL/edu will encourage, support, and if desired
Douglas> provide resources for any educational efforts of the FSF,
Douglas> as we do for all such projects. If because of the nature
Douglas> of our advocacy efforts the FSF can't completely
Douglas> reciprocate, that's unfortunate but understandable, and
Douglas> shouldn't cause any lasting conflict between the groups.
Douglas> That's the SEUL/edu position, in so far as I have any
Douglas> authority to take such a position for a loose-knit group
Douglas> such as ours.
OK, thank you for stating clerly that position.
>> I personally work in some projects that I would like to see as
>> parent projects of Seul/Edu, but for me also the values are too
>> important (the projects where I'm involved now are Structio,
>> SLEC, GNU Typist and the section education of GNU).
Douglas> I'm not sure I understand this. Do you mean you'd like
Douglas> these projects to be listed on our page as
Douglas> SEUL/edu-supported projects, but because of our
Douglas> above-stated position feel that such listings would be
Douglas> inappropriate? I think that was essentially the position
Douglas> Hilaire took with Dr Geo and Dr Genius. While we don't
Douglas> particularly like having projects feel uncomfortable
Douglas> being associated with us, neither do we feel that we must
Douglas> have the first and last words on educational software for
Douglas> Linux. So long as such software is being developed and
Douglas> used, our goals are being served. If the software is
Douglas> associated with SEUL/edu, that's just gravy. We'll still
Douglas> encourage, support, and publicize the projects in every
Douglas> way we can.
Thank you for that support for all those projects.
However since some time ago I feel that I should work for the values
promoted by the free software in the most consistent way. For me
promoting non-free software is giving up and forgetting my objectives,
by that reasons the projects where I'm working cannot make links to
Seul/Edu, I cannot promote your organization neither ask for your
If Seul/Edu wants to promote any of the projects in which I work, it
is your decision and in that case I hope my projects will be useful
for your objectives (irremediably I will feel an ungrateful person if
you promote what I do while I don't promote what you do).
For me, it has been very good to talk with you. Again thank you.
Vladimir Támara Patiño.
Home Page: http://www.bigfoot.com/~vtamara
GPG Key: http://euclides.uniandes.edu.co/~v-tamara/gpgkey.html