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From: Tony Radice <tradice1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:29:23 -0500
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Peter -
    I've done a series of tests on placing the gnetlistrc file and
mucking around with other single changes and will be happy to send you
the log file results - please send me a direct ping at tradice@xxxxxxxx
and I'll respond, rather than waste bandwidth here.

    Long and short: 
1) I GET the prefix, no matter the settings or if the rc file is local,
in my ~home, or in the /usr/local/gEDA directory.

2) If I remove the reference designators from the level 1 blocks the
designators go away, but so does a whole lotta my netlist as well,
making the design useless.

3) When removing the Level 1 designators and a deliberate duplicate
RefDes is placed in (two independent Level 2 sheets) the gnetlist -g
drc2 command does NOT see the duplicate RefDes.

4) I'd love seeing your hacks, but until I understand how they work I
will not incorporate them into my design flow - I appreciate but hate
using blocks marked "Something Magic Happens Here"..   ;-)

5) Current state: I'll clean up the designators in the glossing phase.

Cheers!

T.


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>    1. Re: gsch2pcb Process switches (Peter Clifton)
>    2. Re: gsch2pcb Process switches (Kai-Martin Knaak)
>    3. Log files [was: Re:  gsch2pcb Process switches] (Peter Clifton)
>    4. Log files [was: Re:  gsch2pcb Process switches] (Peter Clifton)
>    5. Missing message? (Jim)
>    6. Wrong pin assignment in an edited symbol. (Jim)
>    7. Re: Wrong pin assignment in an edited symbol. (John Doty)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:32:33 +0000
> From: Peter Clifton <pcjc2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gsch2pcb Process switches
> To: gEDA user mailing list <geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <1259775153.20401.18.camel@pcjc2lap>
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> 
> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 09:16 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
> > Tony Radice wrote:
> > 
> > > 8) What happened: All components got ripped off the board and the new
> > > parts file was populated with the parts with prefix-appended part
> > > numbers (SA4/R112). 
> > 
> > 
> > I think taking away the netname mangle settings is always going to need taking away
> > the subschematic references  source=SA4.sch etc.
> 
> John's suggestion should work, but I don't think it is a _necessary_
> condition. The gnetlist run worked as expected, right..
> 
> What is perplexing is that gsch2pcb didn't appear to pick up your
> gnetlistrc file. Did the copy of your design have the gnetlistrc file in
> the directory? (Was that the directory where you ran gsch2pcb from?)
> 
> Perhaps you could post the log output from the gnetlist.log, and console
> output from gsch2pcb?
> 
> NB: Logs are now stored in ~/.gEDA/logs/{progname}-{date}-{counter}.log
> 
> (gsch2pcb doesn't have a log file, only console output).
> 
> 
> 
> FWIW...
> 
> I've hit similar issues with boards where disabling hierarchy name
> mangling was not an option. (Re-used sub-schematics).
> 
> The two hacks I used to combat the problem were:
> 
> 1. Teach PCB to strip any hierarchy prefix from the displayed netname. I
> then manually marked out each subcircuit block. "X1, X2" etc.. with a
> box on the silk-screen, labelled with the block name.
> 
> 2. When the board assembler didn't like the above approach, because it
> was "confusing" for their assembly techs (and/or) pick+place machine
> (and/or) optical inspection software:
> 
> Teach gnetlist to re-map its output using a mapping file. (HACK)
> Generated renumber mapping using PCB's "renumber" action. (Fine)
> 
> Apply manual lookup between schematic hierarchy refdes and board refdes
> during debugging - evil, but I can't see another way, not without making
> a mass duplication of each re-used schematic. (That rather defeats the
> purpose of having a single place to change the design of a sub-circuit!)
> 
> 
> I can make either hack available (they probably already are on my
> repo.or.cz branches), but beware that they are very much non-standard.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Peter C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:39:29 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Kai-Martin Knaak <kmk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gsch2pcb Process switches
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> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:32:33 +0000, Peter Clifton wrote:
> 
> > NB: Logs are now stored in ~/.gEDA/logs/{progname}-{date}-{counter}.log
> 
> IMHO, $HOME/.foobar should be used for config purposes only. I wouldn't 
> expect log file there. Why not /var/log/gEDA/foobar.log ?
> 
> ---<(kaimartin)>---
> -- 
> Kai-Martin Knaak                                  tel: +49-511-762-2895
> Universit?t Hannover, Inst. f?r Quantenoptik      fax: +49-511-762-2211	
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:50:51 +0000
> From: Peter Clifton <pcjc2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: gEDA-user: Log files [was: Re:  gsch2pcb Process switches]
> To: gEDA user mailing list <geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: geda-user@xxxxxxxx
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> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:39 +0000, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:32:33 +0000, Peter Clifton wrote:
> > 
> > > NB: Logs are now stored in ~/.gEDA/logs/{progname}-{date}-{counter}.log
> 
> I don't like it either.. I was far happier when it dumped them into
> `pwd`. My personal preference would be for no log files to be produced
> at all (by default), and to dump in `pwd` or $configurable_place when
> logging is enabled.
> 
> > IMHO, $HOME/.foobar should be used for config purposes only. I wouldn't 
> > expect log file there. Why not /var/log/gEDA/foobar.log ?
> 
> /var/ might not be a good place for user specific log files, due to
> permission issues.
> 
> In any case.. a big dump of log files in a particular directory means
> that it is quite hard to find the one you want to read. (Not that gEDA
> log files typically have anything "interesting" in them anyway).
> 
> I'm sure I must have got near a file-count limit on my ~/.gEDA/logs dir
> before now!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Peter C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:50:51 +0000
> From: Peter Clifton <pcjc2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: gEDA-user: Log files [was: Re:  gsch2pcb Process switches]
> To: gEDA user mailing list <geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: geda-user@xxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <1259776251.20401.28.camel@pcjc2lap>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:39 +0000, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:32:33 +0000, Peter Clifton wrote:
> > 
> > > NB: Logs are now stored in ~/.gEDA/logs/{progname}-{date}-{counter}.log
> 
> I don't like it either.. I was far happier when it dumped them into
> `pwd`. My personal preference would be for no log files to be produced
> at all (by default), and to dump in `pwd` or $configurable_place when
> logging is enabled.
> 
> > IMHO, $HOME/.foobar should be used for config purposes only. I wouldn't 
> > expect log file there. Why not /var/log/gEDA/foobar.log ?
> 
> /var/ might not be a good place for user specific log files, due to
> permission issues.
> 
> In any case.. a big dump of log files in a particular directory means
> that it is quite hard to find the one you want to read. (Not that gEDA
> log files typically have anything "interesting" in them anyway).
> 
> I'm sure I must have got near a file-count limit on my ~/.gEDA/logs dir
> before now!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Peter C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:57:13 -0500
> From: Jim <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: gEDA-user: Missing message?
> To: geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> 
> I sent a message to the list, but it hasn't appeared.  I had an attached 
> jpg file, but it was small.  Would that have prevented it from being 
> published?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:12:00 -0500
> From: Jim <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: gEDA-user: Wrong pin assignment in an edited symbol.
> To: geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <4B16ADF0.60109@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Sent this once but never saw it, so I'll try again.  Don't know what 
> happened to the first one.
> 
> I was following the tutorial on 
> http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#custom_gschem_symbols and 
> attempted to modify the dual op amp as directed in that tutorial.  When 
> I went to add the two op amps to the schematic I noticed that when I 
> changed the second one to slot=2, that the output pin remained number 1, 
> but the input pins changed as expected.  I examined the opamp-sym.sym 
> file  that I had edited and found this:
> 
> slot=1
> T 200 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> numslots=2
> T 200 1500 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> slotdef=1:3,2,1
> T 200 1700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> slotdef=2:5,6,7
> T 200 1900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> footprint=SO8
> T 200 2100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> footprint2=DIP8
> T 200 2500 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> symversion=0.2
> T 200 2700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> documentation=http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/LM358-D.PDF
> T 200 2900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
> description=opamp
> T 1895 600 8 10 0 0 0 0 1
> net=Vcc:8
> T 1795 400 8 10 0 0 0 0 1
> net=Vee:4
> 
> That's not the whole file, but just the last few lines.  There are no 
> other references to "slot" in the file.  
> 
> 
> I'm very new at this, so I'm not really sure where to start looking for 
> a solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim.
> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>    Sent this once but never saw it, so I'll try again.  Don't know what
>    happened to the first one.
>    I was following the tutorial on
>    [1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#custom_gschem_symb
>    ols and attempted to modify the dual op amp as directed in that
>    tutorial.  When I went to add the two op amps to the schematic I
>    noticed that when I changed the second one to slot=2, that the output
>    pin remained number 1, but the input pins changed as expected.  I
>    examined the opamp-sym.sym file  that I had edited and found this:
>    slot=1
>    T 200 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    numslots=2
>    T 200 1500 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    slotdef=1:3,2,1
>    T 200 1700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    slotdef=2:5,6,7
>    T 200 1900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    footprint=SO8
>    T 200 2100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    footprint2=DIP8
>    T 200 2500 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    symversion=0.2
>    T 200 2700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    documentation=[2]http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/LM358-D.PDF
>    T 200 2900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    description=opamp
>    T 1895 600 8 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    net=Vcc:8
>    T 1795 400 8 10 0 0 0 0 1
>    net=Vee:4
>    That's not the whole file, but just the last few lines.  There are no
>    other references to "slot" in the file.
>    [cid:part1.06020809.04010901@fayettedigital.com]
>    I'm very new at this, so I'm not really sure where to start looking
>    for a solution.
>    Thanks,
>    Jim.
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#custom_gschem_symbols
>    2. http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/LM358-D.PDF
> -------------- next part --------------
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:25:10 -0700
> From: John Doty <jpd@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Wrong pin assignment in an edited symbol.
> To: jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, gEDA user mailing list
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> 
> Check the pinseq= attribute on the output pin. Should be 3, I  
> suppose, but maybe it isn't.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Jim wrote:
> 
> > When I went to add the two op amps to the schematic I
> >    noticed that when I changed the second one to slot=2, that the  
> > output
> >    pin remained number 1, but the input pins changed as expected.
> 
> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd@xxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
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