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Re: [tor-talk] Escape NSA just to enter commercial surveillance?
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:34:00 -0700
Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 01/15/2016 01:11 PM, juan wrote:
> I like your attitude, juan, but recommending proxies is dangerous :(
I'm not really recommending anything, just making some
> > Fact remains : in the vast majority of cases a single
> > ordinary proxy will prevent a company like facebook from
> > learning where you are or who you are.
> It's possible. But most users will not know how to test, and will just
> blindly assume that they're safe.
Well, that may be so, but that's a general problem. People
ahould study the systems they use.
> > I think VPNs are routinely used by people who share files -
> > something considered a 'crime' by the criminal mafia knonw
> > as 'government' - and yet the identity of those people isn't
> > compromised.
> VPN services, as long as they don't leak or fail open, are actually
> fairly safe for torrenting and streaming. But those are not "crimes".
> You get sued for copyright violation. When there are "crimes"
> involved, LEA go after VPN services and their ISPs, and all bets are
Not meaning to get into an academic discussion, but...
"Copyright infringement is the act of violating any of a
copyright ownerâs exclusive rights"
"Infringer pays ... damages and profits."
"from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed."
"pays for all attorneys fees and court costs."
" infringer can go to jail."
Again, this is a 'crime' only because the government criminals
say so but regardless, it can be a dangerous and costly activity
and resisting the 'authority' of the government criminals will
get you murdered in no time.
I do agree that if you use a VPN to do something that upsets
the government mafia more than 'piracy' does, then the risks are
> > ...and using the bittorrent network is more risky than
> > logging into NSA-Facebook.
> That's debatable. It depends on what you're doing on Facebook.
Well, I'm thinking about typical use cases like posting
picutres of cats =)
Posting anything more outrageous, like a pair of tits, is a
crime punishable by the facebook police.
> I agree that Facebook's real-name policy renders this rather
> pointless. If you're a Chinese dissident, how does it help to
> circumvent GFW and hide your location when you reveal your real name?
If you are a 'chinese dissident' why would you bother posting on
> I used to have a Facebook account, but it disappeared when I couldn't
> provide a working number for text verification :(
Well, truth be told, it seems to be possible to register
accounts from argentina without giving any real information.
Then again, I've done that using my local ISP, not a proxy.
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