Re: [tor-talk] Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK security minister Ben Wallace - Digital IDs should be brought in to end online anoymity that permits "mob rule" and lawlessness online, the securit

[Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well I just want to bring up that should it be the end Yahweh may want to
use anonymity to not reveal Himself to the masses.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:19 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/online-digital-identification-mob-rule-online-security-minister-ben-wallace-a8390841.html
>
> > As I see it, there are two complimentary ways to fight it
> .
> > Firstly, explain (again) why it's a stupid and flawed idea.
>
> History shows that method always loses long term.
>
> > Second, keep building and supporting systems that help protect privacy
> and
> > anonymity online. That means running more tor relays as well as
> developing
> > new privacy friendly services etc. Essentially, make sure there are
> > alternatives that cannot be affected by whatever half-baked
> implementation
> > they try to foist on us.
>
> Tools themselves will not stop the continual foisting that always wins
> long term.
>
> Note this UK US scam has been spooling up for a wider G7 drop for a while
> now...
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037851.html
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/036940.html
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037948.html
>
> The subject problem is that government is now redundant to your own better
> capabilities as human beings, now evolved and connected to the wealth of
> instant global knowledge and comms. There's no longer a need for such a
> central store of knowledge, action, and programming that, among other
> things,
> says that murder and theft are good, since now you can go online and see
> that it is plainly bad, and contribute to better together, directly.
> The solution is thus to go further this time and finally discontinue
> that old redundant system.
>
> That connectedness is a "mob rule" they speak of... more properly a
> "decentralized" mode, with voluntarist, anarchist, libertarian
> flavors, coordinated
> under realtime feedback for good... an unexpected result (to their
> geriatric
> selves and their decades expired models and thinking) of the true power
> of the Internet now arrived... a curiously interesting process taking shape
> globally... a discussion.. an exploration of alternative models, of local
> and self governance, an elimination of redundancy and inefficiency,
> reclamation and redeployment of all things ceded.
>
> So of course they want to "Digital ID" that, to censor it, balkanize,
> shape,
> track, control, criminalize, and shut it down.... before they themselves
> are.
>
> The fact that they've resorted to deploying worldwide surveillance,
> the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse FUD and more, spinning
> it out 24x365 nonstop now in survival mode, shows they know their
> own end is coming.
>
> Make, keep and use tools... "systems that help protect privacy and
> anonymity online... develop new privacy friendly services etc"...
> not just to hide and shield from the foisting, but to fix and learn
> new thinking, thus ending it for good.
>
> The math is simpler than crypto...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI
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