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Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)

On 03/05/2015 11:05 AM, Goltz, Jim (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote:

So you use your perceived authority of an upset citizen to mask your
incapacity to use filters?

Not all of us read this list on a MUA that has easy-to-use filters.  We generally subscribe to lists that contain useful information, have a high signal-to-noise ratio, and are subscribed to by users who care more about the intended list subject than about getting into yet another useless flame war.

If a list stops fulfilling these criteria, people like us unsubscribe, leaving the list to its inevitable decline, destined to join the ever-lengthening roll of moribund, flame-filled lists that no longer exist or have ceased to serve any useful function on the net.
That would certainly be unfortunate, but it's a publicly known and measurable risk on a public, unmoderated list. However, if the list were to become moderated (especially according to your vague criteria) then the community would lose the set of evidence they need most (i.e., the moderated content) to argue in the other direction. In practice, admins who feel the need to moderate are _extremely_ averse to meta-discussions about the guidelines, which makes things even worse.
But even with well-considered, clear moderation guidelines, the very act of removing content of a user on the Tor talk list in the current wide-net surveillance climate... well, I suppose it could decrease the number of button presses in your MUA. But in the larger scheme I have no doubt the conspiracy theories you find unpleasant would not only proliferate widely but also focus their sights on Tor's tyrannical and hypocritical campaign of online censorship. If it's a choice between that and you fulfilling a fantasy of Valhalla burning to the ground at your immolation, then the good news is that you only have to press one more button. 

-Jonathan



This is by far not the only list, group, or blog out there.  Even if it is the only one that contains "Tor talk", if it ceases to have any content related to its intended purpose, I have no reason to stay subscribed.  If I want unsubstantiated accusations and wild theories, I'll read YouTube comments or watch Fox News.

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Jim Goltz <jgoltz@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)

mick:

Now can we all stop rising to troll bait?

So you use your perceived authority of an upset citizen to mask your
incapacity to use filters?



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