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Re: [tor-talk] Tor's reputation problem with pedo, some easy steps the community could take

On 17.05.2013 19:50, David Vorick wrote:
Except I think that in this case Tor is a bit more like a gun than a screw
driver. The good purposes aren't always obvious and the nefarious purposes
are on the forefront of public attention a lot more. It's not a perfect
analogy but I think you see what I'm getting at.

It's amusing to see this over and over. And it's only a byproduct of how our minds and culture perceive things. It's always about good ol' times and about how the new things could sake the foundations of society to the point of breaking it. Than it becomes normal and people believe things were always like that.

Take the steam engine. It was the devil's work. Mixing fire and water! That was against the creation itself. But it turned out to be quite practical. The Internet in general isn't any different. Only that banks have discovered they can fire half the tellers by launching Internet banking. So it was good business. And their short opening hours became 24/7. Is Internet bad? No! Of course not! No pedo would have the nerve to use the Internet. Why? Because banks and governments do.

Was the steam engine used by the bad guys? Of course. Most of the early adopters were probably under the broad classification of bad guys. Because serfs weren't even allowed to travel in some countries. And noble men were not so eager to spend a lot of money on that. But generic bad guys were ready to spend a pretty penny to gain some speed and confort. Guess what! Two centuries after, bad guys still use mass transportation. Most of them.

What about the phone? It was hard to get. It was expensive. In a poor neighbourhood was cheaper to send some child running. For longer distances there was the postal service. And for a quick delivery there was the telegraph. And all of them had a good network that could reach places where there was no phone line a century later. But creative bad guys saw the potential and started using it. For that you now have the so called lawful interception. Because most bad guys were using the phone. And they were using it more than the student son calling his momma. Mobile phones? So large they needed a car to make them portable? The G1. The bad guys had those too. And they were using them to coordonate and organise. Gee! The same end of the world scenario stupid press announces for Twitter. Only those radio phones were easy to intercept. Did the bad guys drop them? Heck no! They started using code words.

3d printers? Well, they can make guns! Big guns! That kill innocent people. Have you noticed the dead are always innocent? Even that b**** Tatcher was an angel. Same went for bittorrent. Now they are using it to push the distribution of movies to digital cinemas, to infect your PC with paid closed source software. So today not all torrents are criminal. And ISPs don't block bt ports anymore. Wait a bit for the 3d printers. When Lego would distribute its silly toys by making you pay for the plastic too it would be a nice thing abused by some script kiddies.

The purpose of Tor is to liberate people from state control and censorship.
Informally, the purpose of Tor is to help people break rules. We support
Tor because we want oppressive rules to be broken but ultimately it's an
anarchist tool, and that's something that's not going to sit well with the

Don't be such a child!

State control? How about ISP control? How about corporate control? How about abusive partners or parents? In those countries called not–free by the corporate media children walk around free. They even have to work and be treated as adults from an early age. Even when the village is next to the minefield they go working in the morning and return home at night. And that's no video game. At the same time, in the free world as the press likes to intelectually masturbate children are under house arrest. They are under total control. Want to chat with your 4th grade colleague to prepare the homework? Want to use that new and wonderful skill of writing? Now get adult supervision! Under 13 or 17 or 18 or 21? Your account can be terminated. Parents install filtering software and want access to social media accounts and passworded diaries. What could seem exagerated for 1984 is daily life for some kids in the industrialised world.

The purpose of Tor is not to break rules. Is to offer privacy. And guess what? Most private people don't break any rules.

Oppresive rules are not broken by Tor. See, Even FBI and DEA are using it.

And anarchism is not about that. Good timing with grafitti can be much more valuable.

But it's funny that you use the term public, after all that flag waving. Most people I've met use the term public or masses as a way of putting themselves above the crowds.

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