Practically speaking, you're right. After all, you don't see me
putting any of my OWN money into this idea do you? :D On the other
hand, pragmatism and idealism do often converge. As MLK, JR said, "A
threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice EVERYWHERE". Also, I
seem to remember there being news on /. among other places a few years
ago that stated that IBM and/or Oracle were hired by the commies to
implement a lot of this Great Firewall stuff. Does anyone remember
this, or am I just making stuff up? ~A Matt Thorne wrote: Just now I sat and thought about why I thought there should be no censorship in china. Honestly, Who am I to say that They are wrong... sobering thoughts ensue... then it occured to me that the quote is right. they have come a long way, and done alot of good things working with the limitations instead of around them. But... imagine what they could do, given the choice. (sappy and emotional isn't it) -=Matt=- On 11/16/05, nile <nile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 04:14:53PM -0800, ADB wrote:Yeah. Go I2p and tor rendezvous! Seriously though, someone on EFF or IETF's payroll has got to be willing and able to go over there and check it out. If these orgs REALLY want to know what's going on over there and help people, they need current, reliable information, right?Isn't the EFF more geared toward defending digital rights in the US? Sure, the slogan is "Defending Freedom in the Digital World," but most of their activities are obviously US-centric. Things like the "How to Blog Safely" (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Anonymity/blog-anonymously.php) document are "exportable" (at least for English readers), but I don't believe they've gotten involved with foreign governments like they have with the US government, right? Anyway, for a bit of perspective on the "Chinese version of the internet", so to speak, check out this post from EastSouthWestNorth: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051110_1.htm Choice quote: "Since people in China have never been free to express their political views in public, not being able to do so in cyberspace isn't actually viewed as a sacrifice. People don't feel like they're giving anything up. On the contrary, they feel that blogs and other forms of online social media have given them a great deal more freedom of _expression_ than they ever had before." As for China exit nodes and Tor, it'd be fine to have middleman/entry nodes as well as directory servers AFAICT. I'm hoping anyone in China considering running a Tor server would recognize that people on the network wouldn't appreciate exiting from a node in China... -- <a href="" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?tracked=&partnerid=19673&language=us&domain=PHOENIXOFLIGHT.COM">"http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?tracked=&partnerid=19673&language=us&domain=PHOENIXOFLIGHT.COM">The domain Phoenixoflight.com is for sale!</a> |