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Re: Tor limitation

Practically speaking, you're right. After all, you don't see me putting any of my OWN money into this idea do you? :D On the other hand, pragmatism and idealism do often converge. As MLK, JR said, "A threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice EVERYWHERE". Also, I seem to remember there being news on /. among other places a few years ago that stated that IBM and/or Oracle were hired by the commies to implement a lot of this Great Firewall stuff. Does anyone remember this, or am I just making stuff up?


Matt Thorne wrote:
Just now I sat and thought about why I thought there should be no
censorship in china. Honestly, Who am I to say that They are wrong...

sobering thoughts ensue...

then it occured to me that the quote is right. they have come a long
way, and done alot of good things working with the limitations instead
of around them. But...

imagine what they could do, given the choice.

(sappy and emotional isn't it)


On 11/16/05, nile <nile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 04:14:53PM -0800, ADB wrote:
Yeah. Go I2p and tor rendezvous! Seriously though, someone on EFF or
IETF's payroll has got to be willing and able to go over there and check
it out. If these orgs REALLY want to know what's going on over there and
help people, they need current, reliable information, right?

Isn't the EFF more geared toward defending digital rights in the US?
Sure, the slogan is "Defending Freedom in the Digital World," but most
of their activities are obviously US-centric. Things like the "How to
Blog Safely" (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Anonymity/blog-anonymously.php)
document are "exportable" (at least for English readers), but I don't
believe they've gotten involved with foreign governments like they have
with the US government, right?

Anyway, for a bit of perspective on the "Chinese version of the
internet", so to speak, check out this post from EastSouthWestNorth:

Choice quote:
"Since people in China have never been free to express their political
views in public, not being able to do so in cyberspace isn't actually
viewed as a sacrifice. People don't feel like they're giving anything
up. On the contrary, they feel that blogs and other forms of online
social media have given them a great deal more freedom of _expression_
than they ever had before."

As for China exit nodes and Tor, it'd be fine to have middleman/entry
nodes as well as directory servers AFAICT. I'm hoping anyone in China
considering running a Tor server would recognize that people on the
network wouldn't appreciate exiting from a node in China...



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