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Re: [tor-talk] Tor

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:22:06 +0000
Cubed <chasintail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:16:47 -0700
> amuse <tor-amuse@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Also please create tor-toughtalk@ so people have a place to go be
> > needlessly abusive and not have to justify their abuse with facts.
> > Thx.
> LOL, I love that idea! 
> Sorry everybody, I should know better to feed the pidgeons. FWIW
> though, this one made me chuckle. Audible, real-life, endorphine
> releasing chuckle.  =D

	lol - so you think you are 'feeding the pidgeons'? And what
	kind of animal are *you*? Maybe a slug? 

> In the spirit of the original question/complaint/troll, and to
> reiterate my points (which I felt were made rather gentlemanly, if I
> do say so myself), you can call Tor a lot of things, but a scam is
> simply not true.

	"Protect your privacy. Defend yourself against network
surveillance and traffic analysis." 

	Using tor? LOL. What's the latest feature? "don't maximize the
	browser window if you don't want to be tracked". 

	"Tor prevents people from learning your location or browsing
	habits." <---- another lie.

	Of course, since tor is promoted by scammers, they use scamming
	language. Prevent 'people' from learning your location? What
	people, exactly? Your retarded aunt? Somebody selling hotdogs
	on the corner? Or the totalitarian government that FUNDS

	So here's the meat : 

	tor is a project funded by the US military. And of course, it
	doesn't protect joe sixpack from the US military and

	tor works to advance  the interests of the US military by
	allowing THEM to 'browse the web' anonymously using tor users
	as cover. Tor would be useless for the pentangon nazis if they
	were the only people using the network. So they need human
	cattle to use as cover.

	tor works because the US military can monitor a substantial
	part of the internet and so 'deanonymize' tor users, whereas the
	'enemies' of the US government can't do that. Not to mention
	the amount of 'fast' tor nodes isnt' exactly big. 

	the US military has no problem with providing the 'masses' with
	a fake anonimity network that only works against modest
	'adversaries'. Rather, there are good reasons for the US
	military to provide such a fake 'service' including propaganda
	(US cunts pretending to defend 'humand rights'), the
	ability to gather 'interesting' people in one place, etc.

> Scam is, by definition, not a accurate assessment of
> the Tor project, onion routing, and generally anything produced by
> the talented folks who DONATE their time to the project.

	'donate' their time in exchange from millions of
	stolen dollars from the pentagon.

	Anyway, if you want to know what tor really is, do your own
	homework. I've been kind enough to point you in the right
	direction. Assuming you are not yet another tor-bot, which more
	than likely you are. 


> So by extension and assumption, I feel comfortable with my overall
> comprehension of your (again, directed to the OP) messages. I call
> your concise and meaningful and raise you logic. And, I'm all in! 
> As for taking you for an idiot, of course not. I stopped interacting
> with uninteresting people years ago... well anyways, I'm in it for the
> meat, if there is any. Plus, you made me chuckle. 
> Facing inadequecies in projects head on with open minds is one of the
> many reasons open source software and the communities behind them are
> so important. 
> > 
> > On 10/18/15 1:05 AM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > > I re-iterate a request for the tor-opentalk@ list.
> > > 
> > > -V
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:58 PM Josef Stautner <hello@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Hello Juan,
> > >>
> > >> I can't understand why you subscribe to a list of "scammers"
> > >> then. You escalated very quickly and showed a rude attitude most
> > >> people can't stand and normally silently ignore and laugh about.
> > >> And I think that's why nobody answered your mails.
> > >>
> > >> But I'm interested in you opinion why you think Tor is "scam" to
> > >> you. For me Tor itself is really helpfull to escape censorship.
> > >> And because it's free and easy to use script kiddies use the
> > >> network to brute force WordPress logins and other nasty stuff. Of
> > >> course that's stupid but something like that can easily be fixed
> > >> by setting up proper security settings.
> > >> And then there are cases like encrypting you computer and force
> > >> you to pay bitcoins to a hidden service etc. But just because
> > >> they use Tor for that doesn't mean that the whole network ist
> > >> just for scam and malicious activity.
> > >>
> > >> If you are able to discuss on a polite level we can also discuss
> > >> about your opinion.
> > >>
> > >> ~Josef
> > >>

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