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Re: [school-discuss] FW: OpenOffice in education



How can I get a cirriculum for OpenOffice?

Walter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian" <ian.lynch2@ntlworld.com>
To: <schoolforge-discuss@schoolforge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [school-discuss] FW: OpenOffice in education


> On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 19:56, Tom Adelstein wrote:
>
> -- 
> ian <ian.lynch2@ntlworld.com
> > seb@hypercubesystems.co.uk wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 18:38, ian wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 15:40, Tom Adelstein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ian.lynch2@ntlworld.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian, you don't have to convince me :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not trying to, I'm genuinely curious because AFAIK. Apart
from some
> > > > > > proprietary filters such as for WP, some clip art and templates,
OO.o
> > > > > > 1.1 and SO7 are identical code subject to the same QA
procedures. It is
> > > > > > possible that releases have some different defaults eg I found
some
> > > > > > problems with 3D rendering due to the OpenGL defaults that might
or
> > > > > > might not have happened with different default settings.I'll ask
and
> > > > > > find out as I would be interested to know if there are
fundamental QA
> > > > > > differences. In fact OO.o 1.1.1 is being released and this
probably
> > > > > > fixes bugs that will not be fixed in SO 7.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'm very surprised at this response.  A world of difference exists
> > > > > between Star Office 7 and OOo and it's very obvious.  I see no
reason
> > > > > to complain about OOo in any way.
> > > > >
> > > > I'm only interested in accuracy. I have asked the question on a
> > > > discussion list that will know. In principle Sun could do separate
> > > > development work on SO and not on OO.o but all the information I
have
> > > > had to this point suggests that is not how things are currently
done,
> > > > but I have never asked the specific question. So let's know the
facts
> > > > from the people that manage the project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >   However, given the choice, users in my office will run SO7 from
an X
> > > > > server over native installs of OOo on their workstations. Why is
> > > > > that?  From what I can see it's the finishing touches especially
> > > > > overall screen rendering. OOo comes off fuzzy enough to notice and
SO7
> > > > > comes off clear as a bell, bright and finished.
> > > > >
> > > > That's strange because I have OO.o 1.1 running here on Linux and
Windows
> > > > XP and neither appear fuzzy to me. When you say fuzzy do you mean
font
> > > > rendering, graphics or something else?
> > > >
> > > The reported difference between SO7 and OO.o may be due to differences
> > > in font installation. It may be that the installer for SO7 makes sure
it
> > > installs a nice set of fonts, which are included and are not open
> > > source. This would result in a nicer look than a default OO.o install.
> > > Here at Hypercube Systems, we have installed a set of extra fonts for
> > > OO.o and these look very spiffy. If there are fonts on the system that
> > > are blocky, then they can be used by OO.o, but it can't get round the
> > > blockyness. Times is one in point - won't anti alias, whereas Times
New
> > > Roman does.
> > >
> > > Seb James
> > I wonder if you have actually installed and used StarOffice 7.  I
> > noticed you say: The reported difference.... and we added extra fonts.
> > But that doesn't account for the improved look and feel of the entire
> > application.
> >
> > I really don't want to try and one-up anyone or be "right" or anything
> > like that. I personally believe OOo saved the entire Linux community
> > from utter failure at least on the desktop and probably (who knows) on
> > the server side too from a trickle down effect.
> >
> > The point is simple: Schools can have SO 7 for free. Teachers can get
> > the cirriculum and use it for free for their classes. Any constitutent
> > of the school can also obtain the software for free.
> >
> > Now, the software IMHO is so much better that I want to see it out
> > there. I'm even working on getting a major University to offer college
> > semester hours to teachers and high school students for completing the
> > core cirriculum from Sun. I may get that complete in days not weeks.
> >
> > None of that will happen with OOo. Put the best stuff in the schools
> > and if people want to be open about it, they can always look at the
> > core technology by looking at OOo. Whatever Sun did to make SO7 better
> > has to be fringe kinds of things and I doubt it will make much
> > difference.
> >
> > I just don't see why anyone wants to argue about the difference,
> > except to be "politically correct" in the eyes of whatever they
> > believe is Open Source. Give the people SO 7 because it's a
> > commercially acceptible product and makes the kids parents take
> > notice.
>
>
>
> Nothing to do with political correctness, all to do with accuracy and
> reducing misinformation. This is from a recent post to the OO.o
> marketing list.
>
> > 1.)  Is StarOffice the same as OpenOffice?  If not what's the
> > difference, and if they are the same, why are there 2 different names?
>
> http://user-faq.openoffice.org/faq/ar01s02.html#id2814530
>
> Short answer.  No, but close.  StarOffice has more fonts, more clipart
> and it comes with a database.
>
> Why?  Because many people could not handle the idea of getting something
> for free.  Since Sun started charging for it more people have started
> using it.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Nothing about increased QA, graphics drivers etc. Try bringing it up on
> the OO.o discuss list if you don't believe it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
>
>