on Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 08:55:59AM -0600, Brad Bendily (bendily@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > If you go to http://www.novell.com/documentation , SuSE's reduced to > > a "category". > Again, SuSE is one of Novell's products. Just like every other product > they have. They have other products that are used and are more > popular that SuSE, but they're all listed in the "category" section. And again, I'd suggest they do otherwise. > > > I've used the www.novell.com/documentation plenty times before and > > > they're usually almost helpful. At least pointing me in the right > > > direction with the problem I have. Also, just a note, the support > > > docs (most of them, at least the ones I looked at) are wiki based, > > > when you're going through the html view. So if you have a fix or > > > suggestion you can make it. > > > > Could you post specific URLs? > > So, I just thought about something. You mentioned a Wiki. I can find none based on sensible Google queries, hosted at either novell.com or a SuSE domain. Care to share? > You can download SuSE free of charge from the FTP tree. But with that > you don't get any documentation, however if you purchase the Boxed > version you'll get several books which are the documentation. I've > never purchased SuSE, so i'm not exactly sure what the books consist > of. > Still, I looked on the documentation website and you are correct that > for SuSE all they have is two pdf files. Perhaps they will leave it at > that, or they may add more docs later. > Here is an example of the wiki based docs to which I was refering: > http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/userguide_kde/data/chap.gnomenew.html Um. I don't see anything particularly Wiki about that. > > benefit: you're Google-juicing the useful stuff. > I don't beleive I've Google-juiced anything. ;) By creating inbound links to stuff, you are. That's part of the neat stuff Google does with what people do naturally online. Anyway: I'm encouraging you to link to useful stuff. Particularly when mentioning it on related mailing lists. > > Not to get 'snickety or anything -- or maybe I do -- but I hate > > form-based web support. <...> > I agree, the web-based forums are terrible and difficult to navigate. > > However, if you're using windows you can use: Nope. Not since 1998. > or if KDE you can use Knode for reading the news forum. These are the > two programs I use. They make digesting the news forums much easier. Here again: what specific newsgroup? Yes, I use KNode. > > > Also, have you looked at the SuSE mailing list? There is another FREE > > > resource you can use to get your questions answered. > > > > > > http://lists.suse.com/ > > > > No. I have hit the IRC support channel. Despite what I wrote above, > > lists are something I generally need an incentive to join -- my mail > > feed is ginormous as it is. If I knew I was working with SuSE > > significantly over a period of time, yes, I'd join. > > So, you complain about the one FREE resource and say you want another > then you complain about the other FREE resource? sheesh! What I wanted in the first place was easy-to-find, easy-to-access, HTML-based documentation. Such as is provided in copious quantity by Red Hat, Debian, Mandrake, Gentoo, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Ubunutoo.... I really hate beating, hammering, congo-drumming, steamrolling, drop-kicking, and flogging dead horses, but that point seems to keep getting missed in these quarters. Mailing lists are fine. But they're not (outside accessible forums) a first line of documentation source for myself, or, in my experience, many people. > > SuSE most decidedly *are* being paid, and are paying, to produce > > docs. > See my earlier note about obtaining the Box set. See my earlier point about trying to provide support for a SuSE installation at a school, when I don't actually have the distro installed locally. Which, to make the broader point (see my earlier point regarding dead horses, flogging, etc., of), is that SuSE/Novell are doing themselves a favor by providing [see my earlier point regarding easy-to-find...]. By the way, here's a quivver of miscellaneous points you might find useful in the case others go missing from time to time. Take two, they're cheap. > I'd have to agree with you. The mailing list pumps out about 200 > messages a day. It's very difficult to keep up with. I just let them > go to a separate folder then I can browse through it when I want. Yes, that is, in fact, a sharp bit. Also know as, a point. One of mine.... Peace. Points. Whatever. -- Karsten M. Self <kmself@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act: Feinstein's answer to Enron envy. http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.s2048.032102.html
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