Just a short note on the services offer ... it has nothing to do with oriole.sbay.org ... you will reach a dead-end with that domain, it really exists as an MX only ... try corsica.shorelink.com It is fairly well connected. George Bonser If NT is the answer, you didn't understand the question. (NOTE: Stolen sig) http://www.debian.org Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system.