Re: gEDA-user: uEDA .. was .. Re: Heavy Symbols and such

[John Doty <jpd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 6, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Steve Meier wrote:

> John,
>
> The beauty of geda and its scheme capabilities is that any file format
> that is reasonably well deffined can be supported.

Indeed. Give me a well defined format with a clear use, I might even  
help.

>
> Instead of railing at at Al start helping to nail doen the  
> deffinitions
> on the formats your prefer.
>
> As I have said my short term goals are to provide output support for
> verilog, vhdl and spice.

But that can mean many things. Al keeps talking about Verilog as an  
internal format, not an export format. But it's impossible to  
understand what he means by that.

>
> Given these what can you do with them?
>
> Steve Meier
>
> John Doty wrote:
>> On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As long as its semantics is well enough deffined that I can write a
>>> macro to read and write its file formats then why not?
>>>
>>
>> It might be nice, but who knows what it is, and how to reasonably map
>> it onto our problem? Al's always selling Verilog. But I went and
>> bought the book he recommended on Verilog-AMS, and it was mostly more
>> sales pitch.
>>
>> I AM REALLY TIRED OF THE VERILOG SALES PITCH.
>>
>> Is there any *substance* here beyond the digital HDL?
>>
>> Al, *show* us something *real*. I don't necessarily mean you need to
>> write something: a pointer to something would be just fine (as long
>> as it's not just more pitch). But the more you push what seems to be
>> vapor, the more I'm going to ignore it. And I suspect I'm not the
>> only one...
>>
>>
>>> al davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Michael Sokolov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> al davis <ad151@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why invent a new language?  Either Verilog-AMS or VHDL-AMS,
>>>>>> the = structural subset, has everything you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I needed something I could implement by myself without any
>>>>> help from the outside world and without any dependencies.  It
>>>>> also needs to run under UNIX Version 7 and cannot depend on
>>>>> anything other than a K&R C compiler plus standard UNIX stuff
>>>>> that came with V7 (such as M4 that everyone hates so much but
>>>>> which I absolutely adore).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That is why I said "the structural subset".  It meets all of
>>>> those requirements.  In this case, Verilog is lighter than
>>>> VHDL.
>>>>
>>>>
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