Re: 20090101

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Olaf Selke wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
>>
>>> nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
>>> how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
>>> not collected at all can't be stored, right?. But this law does not
>>> enforce tor operators to collect any data.
>> Oh, really? So ISPs, VoIP and mobile phone providers have nothing to fear,
>> right?
> 
> right!

Wrong. I read the law. My lawyers read the law. It doesnt say: Store the
data you have. It says: Store these specific datasets, no matter if you
have them or not. The comments in the "Regierungsentwurf" are very telling.
So, I am sorry. Tor nodes will have to log. ISPs will have to log.
Everyone doing public telco services will have to log.

>> Wonder why they've been whining, then. I wonder why I went demonstrating
>> for the first time in my life, in the freezing sleet, with a bad cold.
> 
> they have to spend a lot of money for that kind of nonsense. That really
> hurts. Do you expect companies do care for free speech or human rights?
> They only care for profit.

Actually, some companies do care for free speech and human rights. Mine
does. Which is why it leaves Germany now for more free ground.
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