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Re: 20090101

Thus spake Smuggler (smuggler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx):

> Olaf Selke wrote:
> > Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
> >>
> >>> nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
> >>> how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
> >>> not collected at all can't be stored, right?. But this law does not
> >>> enforce tor operators to collect any data.
> >> Oh, really? So ISPs, VoIP and mobile phone providers have nothing to fear,
> >> right?
> > 
> > right!
> Wrong. I read the law. My lawyers read the law. It doesnt say: Store the
> data you have. It says: Store these specific datasets, no matter if you
> have them or not. The comments in the "Regierungsentwurf" are very telling.
> So, I am sorry. Tor nodes will have to log. ISPs will have to log.
> Everyone doing public telco services will have to log.

Oh, and I'm also wondering about redundancy. If I run a Tor node in
Germany is it the case that I have to log, AND my ISP has to log, AND
their colo provider has to log, AND the upstream ISP has to log, AND the
IX has to log all the same data? Is there any division of
responsibility? Or will there be like 5-10 copies of the same
connection data floating around everywhere?

Mike Perry
Mad Computer Scientist
fscked.org evil labs

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