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Re: 20090101

Thus spake Smuggler (smuggler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx):

> Olaf Selke wrote:
> > Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Olaf Selke wrote:
> >>
> >>> nothing will change for German tor operators due to this law. It defines
> >>> how to store and how to hand over stored data to the authorities. Data
> >>> not collected at all can't be stored, right?. But this law does not
> >>> enforce tor operators to collect any data.
> >> Oh, really? So ISPs, VoIP and mobile phone providers have nothing to fear,
> >> right?
> > 
> > right!
> Wrong. I read the law. My lawyers read the law. It doesnt say: Store the
> data you have. It says: Store these specific datasets, no matter if you
> have them or not. The comments in the "Regierungsentwurf" are very telling.
> So, I am sorry. Tor nodes will have to log. ISPs will have to log.
> Everyone doing public telco services will have to log.

Actually, out of curiosity do your lawyers believe that
upstream/backbone/IX ISPs will also be required to log (and to log the
same type of data)? That would seem to be a lot of data.. Not to
mention that upstream ISPs will not have customer information for IP
addresses. It would seem to me that Tor nodes are much more similar to
backbone routers than consumer ISPs.

Mike Perry
Mad Computer Scientist
fscked.org evil labs

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