Re: [pygame] "Pyttle.net"?

["RB[0]" <roebros@xxxxxxxxx>]

I don't have the time computer with me to test anything right now.

But if you care, I did make an irc bot using twisted once, that supports mods that run, so a lot of your functions could simply be mods.

I can't recall how far we made it on the project, but we did run it during pyweek once and worked fairly well :)

http://code.google.com/p/compobot/

In reference to your chat log, what I did was use an online "get_my_hostname" site and parsed the data, then you could simply test whether your host binds to that port or not...

sock = socket.socket(...)

try:

    sock.bind(...)

    print "we're good to go!"

except:

    print "dang, we can't do it"

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Thiago Chaves <shundread@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Short update:

I'm posting a first draft version of "Pyttlebot" and I would just like to post it here before I scrap the thing. Thanks to RB[0] I was able to give consideration to the possibility of one not being able to host a game though I'm on the workings of finding out what to do about it. I'm leaving it running on irc.freenode.net #pyttle.net for the following 12 hours or so, with possible interruptions if problems occur.

As the next thing I'm gonna do is use a Pygame GUI library to create a minimalist IRC client that automatically connects to irc.freenode.net and joys #pyttle.net and supports some basic functionalities such as chatting and private messages. I'll worry about the bot and protocol again once that is done.

What needs to change in the bot:
* Instead of the user informing the bot "I can host" or "I can't host", the bot itself should attempt connection to the user's machine and verify if the user can host, unless the user specifies a lack of desire for hosting a game.
* Its code should look prettier than it looks now, seriously. If there's any hope for me to get people using it for their own games.
* It should respond to channel messages directed at it, rather than having the person wondering on how to use it.
* Accept registering of dedicated servers. The bot has registered dedicated servers, then it doesn't need to wait for a hosting-capable user to show up, but it should ask the dedicated server if there's a free game slot available before announcing the game to the players.

Alex, if you're interested in building the bot, could you check the code (or visit it and test its behavior) and get a new one in the workings? You can change the grammar / syntax of the bot, but make it easy to parse by the client.

I would say that if the bot accomplishes this much, and the client is able to make these requests to the bot and react to a match announcement by launching a game, then Milestone 1 has been achieved. =)

If anyone is interested in trying it out the bot is on #pyttle.net at irc.freenode.org. To get instructions from it, you need to enter a private conversation and say something random.

-Thiago

PS: In case anyone is wondering why trying a connection is necessary, I'm also posting a log from a conversation I had in #twisted.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM, RB[0] <roebros@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Everything except the actual code and the "RB[0]'s design docs" wiki page on here is outdated, but:

http://code.google.com/p/galaxymageredux/

Cheers, and good luck :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Thiago Chaves <shundread@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can you provide a link to your library, RB[0]? I googled Galaxymage but I keep bumping into galaxymage.org, and the address is cybersquatted from here.

I understand what you said about the routing issues, and that's quite true and I run into that problem quite often and shamefully enough, I haven't considered that.

I'm pushing on anyways and finishing a first draft of the first bot (to which I won't give that much more thought if someone else is willing to take the job) and then I'll get a minimalist client and network game going. But thanks a lot for the input. =)

-Thiago

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:41 PM, RB[0] <roebros@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hmm, perhaps I should explain better.
The users/hosts wouldn't interact on the master server, except to connect to game servers, start servers and possibly chat.
The game servers would be programmed by the games using them, so either one server = one game, or like in GMR, one game server hosts multiple games...

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM, RB[0] <roebros@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, this is something we had an issue with in GMR.
Not everyone can "host" a game, if you have a router like mine is it is quite nearly impossible to create a server that others can connect to.
The way we planned to do it in GMR, was to have people create their own server, and register it with the master server.
The master server in turn would check to ensure the game server was really visible, then load up it's data (game, version, max users/games, password, etc.) and provide that to people wanting to use the service.

You could do this via irc, but I think a simple PB solution would be simpler and more extensible. But if you make this up and it takes off we'll definitely at least support it in GMR :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Thiago Chaves <shundread@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Missing end of sentence here: a default bot could/should exist for use by developers with no interest in customizing it for their own game, or to be extended by developers who want to add other features specific to their game.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Thiago Chaves <shundread@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's very cool to hear about two other people so soon after the initial post interested in getting this going. =)

For purposes of not commenting about how much I'd like to get a better name for the thing everytime I mention it, I'm gonna use "Pyttle.net" on the email, but leave here stated that I'm not suggesting this as a name for the system. =P

So, things I was thinking of:

0. Users have a collection of more than zero games that support getting started by Pyttle.net / having matches started by.
1. Chatting between users, emoting actions, registering and confirming of usernames is handled by the chosen protocol and the chosen protocol's servers.
2. The client connects automatically to the chat server(s) and joins channels according to the collection of Pyttle.net-capable games present in the user's machine. #fog-of-war-chess, #galaxymage, #ssof, for instance.
3. Each game/channel has it's own bot running in there, which deals with negotiation of matches, scorekeeping (if there's any interest in the game for that), messages-of-the-day, etc. A default bot could/should.
4. Once a match has been arranged, the bot informs all involved clients that the match is gonna start, who are the players and in which IP's they can be found.
5. Once a client has been informed of a match, it takes care of launching the game and it deals with the network connections and data on its own accord.
6. Once a match is over, if there's interest by the developers to have some scoreboard, the clients inform the results back to the bot, who logs it and whatever.

I'm totally open to negotiating/discarding/changing any/all of these. I want something like a game-agnostic "battle.net" to happen. =)

Opinions? What is missing? What could be added? What is poorly explained?

-Thiago

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM, RB[0] <roebros@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I've been reading Twisted documentation and this sounds like a
> less-than-guru-level thing to build on top of the IRC protocol.

I'd like to contribute to this project!

I enjoy IRC and have been building bots that play games over IRC for a while.

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//Alex